New cycle possibly?

[1zach4]

Ok well i'm just starting PCT on my Test E/Deca cycle and i'm looking to start in a few months another cycle.

I have already pretty much decided that it will be a Test E, and EQ cycle with Winny thrown in for the first 6 weeks, but here is my problem:

I am doing this next cycle to be ready for summer time, and will probably start another bulker near the end of the summer, but I would like to add more mass before the summer rolls around. How much mass can I expect while still cutting down with Test/EQ/Winny?

The proposed cycle will be:

Test E 600mg/wk 1-15
Equipoise 600mg/wk 1-13
Winstrol 50mg/ED wk 1-6

Would it be smarter to run dbol for the first 4 weeks, and then finish up weeks 10-15 with winny?

[SMAN12b]

Hard to bulk and cut at the same time. You can try to have a very LEAN bulk depending on your diet then adjust the diet the last 6 weeks that you are on Winny to help with the cut

You want to run the winny two weeks past the test E so that your pct times will match. I wouldn't run winny in the beginning if you want some bulk, and I wouldn't want to run 12 weeks of orals doing the winny the first and last 6 . You could run the Dbol in the first 4 weeks, but then you are still looking at 10 weeks of harsh orals. If you feel the need for a kickstart, why not get some Test Prop

SO,

Weeks 1-15 Test E
Weeks 1-13 Eq
Weeks 11-17 Winny

PCT starts day after last winny

[1zach4]

i'll be playing with the idea of prop for a kickstart, but I have dbol from this cycle and plenty of it in order to kickstart...but I don't want to choose that just because it's available. I want the best possible kickstart and then i'll finish with winny because that will be right about the time summer is in full swing.

Should I dose prop at 75mg/ED for the first 4 weeks, or should I dose it @ 100mg/ED? I'll be running 600mg Test E/wk so would it be bad to run less prop or to run more per week than I will be of Test E?

[SMAN12b]

Start with 75mgs/ED that should be a good kick.

[1zach4]

So I will be doing 75mg/ED of prop and then E3D I will add an additional 300mg Test E correct? So every 3rd day for the first 4 weeks i'll be getting 375mg of test?

If that is correct then i'll be getting 1125mg of Test for the first 4 weeks. I must be confused...I've tried to figure out this jumpstart with prop before and this is always where I get lost. Do I use prop/EQ only for the first 4 weeks and then switch to test E? That seems like I would be hurting my gains because the prop would wear off before my Test E had built up.

[SMAN12b]

NO, you do take everything form the start. even though you are taking the Test E, it really has to build up in your blood, so you won't really be getting much from it for the first 4-6 weeks, so its ok to use the prop with the Test e.

You can even use the prop after your last test E shot right up until 3 days before your last winny to keep your test level up right up until PCT

[1zach4]

Finally!! I understand! Thanks SMAN!

The last little part is also interesting and if I choose prop then I will also be using it at the end for the last 2 weeks.

[SMAN12b]

cool, good luck and take before and after pics and give us updates

[1zach4]

Yeah before and after pics will definitely be put up. I'm going to try and prime for this next cycle and then do a clean bulk and make sure the abs pop out after the use of winny