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    Affects of Finesteride/Dutesteride at maximizing dose effectiveness

    Oral administration of 400 mg of testosterone (T) in oil, when combined with the 5 reductase inhibitor dutasteride (D), elevates serum T in medically castrated men to the normal range. In this study, we sought to determine the impact of 1) finasteride (F) and 2) food intake on the serum T and dihydrotestosterone (DHT) levels observed after the oral administration of T in oil. Therefore, we conducted a pharmacokinetic study of oral T in oil, alone or with D or F, in the fasting and fed states in normal men whose endogenous T production was suppressed by the GnRH antagonist acyline. After acyline administration, 7 healthy men (mean age 31 ± 8 years) were sequentially administered five 400-mg doses of oral T in sesame oil once daily. The first dose of oral T (T-alone) in oil was given while fasting without F or D. The second (fasting) and third (fed) doses were administered after pretreatment with F (T + F). Four days later, the fourth (fasting) and fifth (fed) doses were administered after pretreatment with D (T + D). Blood samples for measurement of serum T and DHT were obtained before T dosing and 0.5, 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 10, 12, and 24 hours after each administration. In the fasting state, 24-hour area-under-the-curve of serum T after oral T administration was significantly greater with coadministration of either D or F compared with T-alone (126 ± 36 nmol-h/L [T-alone] vs 287 ± 98 nmol-h/L [T + F] vs 236 ± 82 nmol-h/L [T + D]; P < .05 for T + F and T + D vs T-alone). Administration of the T with food nonsignificantly decreased serum T levels compared with fasting administration. The administration of oral T in oil combined with either F or D results in serum T levels adequate to treat men with testicular failure. Additional studies of the combination of oral T in oil with 5-reductase inhibitors as a novel form of oral T therapy are warranted.

    As always ... derive what you will from this study - but if the cost of finasteride/dutesteride is less than the amount of additional test required to achieve equivalent effectiveness...

    And secondly, for those who worry about BPH, Estrogenic effects, and have a threshold of DHT tolerance that just doesn't allow higher doses. ... this should be something interesting worth contemplating.

    Anyone done so to a successful degree?

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    I am getting ready to run test e and var with duta. I will post my results.

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    interesting study. From what I hear finasteride and dutasteride work.

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    hmm, interesting...for some reason, i always thought using my propecia might possibly hinder my gains (don't know why though)...

    any difference with non-castrated men you think?

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    interesting...I just started duta a couple weeks ago and itll be interesting to see how the gains manage

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    Yeah, I'm on duta now. Might cycle off of it slowly if I don't have problems with the test. I have nizoral 2% and spiro 5%, they say spiro acts as good as duta, without hindering your gains.

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    ive thrown everything at my hair and nothing works..figured i would shut DHT down at the source instead of using topicals

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    Duta works excellent, i was on it for almost a year with no issues...didnt hinder gains, but slaughtered strength

    CD

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    Quote Originally Posted by chest6
    ive thrown everything at my hair and nothing works..figured i would shut DHT down at the source instead of using topicals
    Does MBP run in your family?

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    Quote Originally Posted by king6
    Yeah, I'm on duta now. Might cycle off of it slowly if I don't have problems with the test. I have nizoral 2% and spiro 5%, they say spiro acts as good as duta, without hindering your gains.
    How's that combo working for ya? I'm looking to do exact same protocol.
    Thanks,
    Bro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainDominate
    Duta works excellent, i was on it for almost a year with no issues...didnt hinder gains, but slaughtered strength

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    so you got bigger but not stronger?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpha-Male
    hmm, interesting...for some reason, i always thought using my propecia might possibly hinder my gains (don't know why though)...

    any difference with non-castrated men you think?
    its a catch 22 really. limiting DHT lowers nueromuscular output, meaning less powerful muscle contractions. However, less DHT conversion does mean higer overal test, and test is a much more anabolic hormone.

    so which is better? more overal anabolic hormone level, or DHT induced powerful contractions?

    personally i would wanna keep dht as close to where its at off cycle, when on, but not eliminate dht totally. i think for 400-500mg/wk of test 1mg of finasteride will cut it in non MPB prone ppl. as dosages increase, so would my level of finasteride/duta

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    on another note, if i KNEW(which is impossible) i could never lose hair at all no matter what dose of test i use, i would never touch finasteride/duta, cuz im of the belief, strength=size

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    Quote Originally Posted by king6
    Does MBP run in your family?
    no1 in my family is/was bald. No idea how it happened

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halfcenturian
    How's that combo working for ya? I'm looking to do exact same protocol.
    Thanks,
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    So far so good, have yet to start my cycle.

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    so you got bigger but not stronger?
    Yea i continued to add some good size, i was totally clean for 8 months plus dutasteride and i while i did hinder my strength gains, i put on size..

    CD

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