DNP Log: 9 days in the oven

[liftin4life]

I'm doing this log on another board as well. I think people will be interested in my experiences as the debate on whether or not to use DNP is ongoing.
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I'm taking DNP 400mg/day in split doses along with clen for 9 days. DNP apparently makes the clen VERY VERY strong. I would normally do 40-50mcg then 5-8 hours later, 25mcg. This time I did 25mcg and it hit me like 100mcg! I've been using about 15mcg in the mornings now. That's all I can handle.

Day 0: Tuesday 11:30pm 200mg
effects....went to sleep.

Day 1: Wednesday 12 Noon 200mg, Midnight 200mg: Warmer when others are cold...no effects

Day 2: Thursday: 12 Noon 200mg, Midnight 200mg: Man..it's kinda warm wherever I go. Clothes are slightly damp but no big deal.

Day 3: Friday: WOW...it's really hot...glycerol is helping to cool me off....my clothes are very wet but not completely soaked.

Day 4: Saturday: Man..this is pretty amazing stuff. I can see a noticeable improvement...more vascular....starting to hold some water though (not bad at this point). I was pretty hot today...more so than day 3. Clothes were very wet and a few times, I had sweat on my forehead. However...I have a very active job where I walk a lot during my 12 hr shift. I trained legs tonight and went up in weight by about 50lbs on leg press. Currently not using any supplements other than glycerol and pyruvate (with DNP) and basic supps. Strange considering I was TIRED all day.

[king6]

DNP!?

God be with you.

[liftin4life]

DNP!?

God be with you.

Do some research. In moderate amounts with proper support supplements, it's a very reasonable supplement with little to no sides.

[king6]

Do some research. In moderate amounts with proper support supplements, it's a very reasonable supplement with little to no sides.

I know, just giving you a hard time.

Good luck with it, keep us posted.

[djack99587]

can dnp be run just by itself, what does it actuallt do/hows it work?

[crazyhorse666]

if you read the artical in anabolics 2006 they dont advise it. it is so ungodly strong. plese be carefull

[liftin4life]

if you read the artical in anabolics 2006 they dont advise it. it is so ungodly strong. plese be carefull

Yes, it is quite potent. I have researched it for over a year before I decided to use it. You MUST use all the support supps with it: pyruvate, ala, cal mag. zinc, vit c and e, glycerol, eca or clen.

[SVTMuscle*]

bump.
I through the idea out,but after reading this I am reconsidering...
How many days are you running it for?

[Jay-Ace]

Clen with DNP!!


Good luck to ya bro, I'm currently on DNP 500mg/ED with a long list of supplements in the mix.

I'm also just started on ECA as of yesterday, it's definately an oven in here!!


Please post your results!!

Jay

[liftin4life]

Clen with DNP!!


Good luck to ya bro, I'm currently on DNP 500mg/ED with a long list of supplements in the mix.

I'm also just started on ECA as of yesterday, it's definately an oven in here!!


Please post your results!!

Jay

I'll keep it updated. yes...clen but 15mcg bc it feels like way more

[SVTMuscle*]

How are you guys feeling? Lethargic? Tired? Sick?

[Jay-Ace]

How are you guys feeling? Lethargic? Tired? Sick?

No lethargy other than 1 night (day 5 i think).

Actually during the 1st 5 days I had lots of energy, felt a little buzzy and nicely warm.

Not feeling any tiredness at all, a small ammount of insomnia but this is not abnormal for me as I'm an irregular slleper anyway!!

No sickness whatsoever. I took 1 dose of the DNP on an empty stomach and felt a little belly ache for about 10-15mins but this went as soon as I had soomething to eat. This was my own fault, I should have known better!!


Overall I'm feeling quite good!! The actual pyschological effect of knowing that I'm burning up extra calories/fat is definately taking away any lethargy side effects.

I honestly feel like I could carry on at this does forever!!! I think this is a good testament to the quality of the DNP I have!!

[liftin4life]

How are you guys feeling? Lethargic? Tired? Sick?

Feeling fine. Felt tired the first 3 days but feel great at day 5. sweat is dripping down my back as I type this at work after having rice. I just started using lipoderm y last night on abs and will add clen plus more yohimbine.

[SVTMuscle*]

great updates thanks, your really making me consider a 20 days cycle at 250mg/ed

[Jay-Ace]

great updates thanks, your really making me consider a 20 days cycle at 250mg/ed

That's cool bro, I'm quite enjoying my DNP cycle and I'm sure you will too!!

[G-1000]

DNP is one of two things i wont fvck with. I have very little info on it .


So eveyone can not this and dont ask me.

[liftin4life]

I found so much info, it took me weeks to make the time to read through it all....but I've read about it off and on for over a year. There are TONS of studies taking back to the 1930's. It has even been used to treat cancer!

Anyway...why are people so scared of it? Just stay under 5-6mg/kg and you should be fine. My recommended dose of 5mg/kg would be 375mg/day. I'm at 400....close enough.

[Jay-Ace]

I found so much info, it took me weeks to make the time to read through it all....but I've read about it off and on for over a year. Theare are TONS of studies taking back to the 1930's. It has even been used to treat cancer!

Anyway...why are people so scared of it? Just stay under 5-6mg/kg and you should be fine. My recommended dose of 5mg/kg would be 375mg/day. I'm at 400....close enough.

I think it's the same with anything that has a reputation.

The LDlo=4.3mg/kg means that the lowest reported human casulaty was at a dosage of 4.3mg/kg. But this tells us nothing about the circumstances, teh patient might not have drunk so much as a cup of water for 2 days, in that case it would be no wonder they died!!

A more accurate figure to work things out on is the LD50=30mg/kg meaning that in a controlled environment .... 50% of rats given a dose 30mg/kg died. However, this does not take into account that DNP has a nasty habit of killing someones thirst. The rat would not drink any surplus water as it does not understand that it needs to, wheras a human taking it would understand this requirement!!

I would hazard a guess that a human could consume well over the recommended max of 9mg/kg quite safely if they were very strict with their diet and water intake. Since researching DNP I have actually spoken toa guy who was taking 1200mg of DNP every day for 2 weeks. He knew what he was doing, he knew the risks but he also worked out what was needed to counteract the risks!! His water intake was something silly like 1litre/hour.

Personally its not something I would risk, just my oppinion that if done correctly it can be done.

I will however be going to a maximum dose of ~6mg/kg next week.

[liftin4life]

I know what you mean.

Day 5: Sunday: Man it was HOT HOT HOT today! Holy SH*T!!! I was sweating like crazy! WOW! I also got extremely tired here and there but nothing consistent. Kinda odd. The most difficult thing about this is working and acting/being normal at work and during work activities. The next 2 days are OFF from work so I'll take it 400mg/day as usual...however I think for the last 2 days ON work...I'm going to do only 200mg/day. I just felt so miserable due to the thick polyester clothing I'm required to wear.

[Jay-Ace]

I know what you mean.

Day 5: Sunday: Man it was HOT HOT HOT today! Holy SH*T!!! I was sweating like crazy! WOW! I also got extremely tired here and there but nothing consistent. Kinda odd. The most difficult thing about this is working and acting/being normal at work and during work activities. The next 2 days are OFF from work so I'll take it 400mg/day as usual...however I think for the last 2 days ON work...I'm going to do only 200mg/day. I just felt so miserable due to the thick polyester clothing I'm required to wear.

That sucks, can you not wear a dri-fit undershirt??

A climacool vest would help loads!!

[liftin4life]

That sucks, can you not wear a dri-fit undershirt??

A climacool vest would help loads!!

A what and a what? Haha...I've never heard of either one of those!

[djack99587]

Yes, it is quite potent. I have researched it for over a year before I decided to use it. You MUST use all the support supps with it: pyruvate, ala, cal mag. zinc, vit c and e, glycerol, eca or clen.

Is that the complete list of supplements need to use dnp? if not could someone list them?

[Jay-Ace]

A what and a what? Haha...I've never heard of either one of those!

Adidas make climacool, it's a spaceage fabric which wicks all the moisture away from your body and causes a cooling action in the process.

Dri-fit is a cotton based product which wicks the moisture away from your body in a more traditional fashion.

Is that the complete list of supplements need to use dnp? if not could someone list them?

Not exhaustive but fairly concise.....


1000mg Vitamin C
800-1200IU Vitamin E
150-300mg Magnesium
100-150mg Quercitin
1000mg Taurine
1000-2000mg Sodium
1000-2000mg Potassium
1x Good Quality Multi-Vitamin & Mineral Capsule

There are more things like Guggelsterones, Sibutramine etc etc

If you have a good quality source for DNP you will find that the capsules actually contain a whole host of bonus chemicals to heolp you along the way!!

[djack99587]

those are daily values need to be taken in correct?

[Jay-Ace]

those are daily values need to be taken in correct?

Yup, I'd go for the higher values if you're a big guy or at high dosage DNP (≥500mg/ED)

[djack99587]

i was reading a posible side is clouding of the eyes or cataracts, is this temporary or how do you avoid this happening? im trying to get as much info as possible , i am thinking of using this product

[Jay-Ace]

i was reading a posible side is clouding of the eyes or cataracts, is this temporary or how do you avoid this happening? im trying to get as much info as possible , i am thinking of using this product

This problem is more prominent in women, and almost unheard of in men!!


As to the exact cause, I'm not sure. But keeping your blood sugar levels in check and plenty of anti-oxidants is very important!!

One thing I forgot is to supplement your sodium and potassium levels, I've edited the above post!!

[djack99587]

thanks man , im making a note of the supplements i need to get....

[Jay-Ace]

thanks man , im making a note of the supplements i need to get....

Are you in UK or US??

[djack99587]

i am in the usa

[liftin4life]

This problem is more prominent in women, and almost unheard of in men!!


As to the exact cause, I'm not sure. But keeping your blood sugar levels in check and plenty of anti-oxidants is very important!!

One thing I forgot is to supplement your sodium and potassium levels, I've edited the above post!!

The reason for the clouding and cataracts is the depletion of pyruvate which coats certain internal structures within the eye. That is perhaps the most important supp to take. Hard to train if you can't see.

Keeping the house at 58 in boxers...I feel great. Believe it or not,, I am not even slightly cold.

[Jay-Ace]

The reason for the clouding and cataracts is the depletion of pyruvate which coats certain internal structures within the eye. That is perhaps the most important supp to take. Hard to train if you can't see.

Is this accurate?? Do you have any links to studies for this??

It is my understanding that DNP inhibits the GALT enzyme in the liver (DNP causes several enzymes to become defficient). The result of this is an increased serum concentration of Galactose, the primary cause of sugar cataracts. Enzyme defficiency is more pronounced in women, the reason I'm not certain of and can't find the source for this info, and this is why women are known to be more at risk from cataract formation.

Exogenous Pyruvate does not coat the eye structures, more that it increase the rate of Krebs Cycle reactions, just 1 of many reactions in the body that is hindered by DNP.


The Galactose caused cataracts is most easily avoided by decreasing your consumption of dairy products, the catarcts are an indirect result of the breakdown of Lactose from milk.


Sorry if that dragged on, and FYI it goes way over my head any deeper than that!!

[liftin4life]

Is this accurate?? Do you have any links to studies for this??

It is my understanding that DNP inhibits the GALT enzyme in the liver (DNP causes several enzymes to become defficient). The result of this is an increased serum concentration of Galactose, the primary cause of sugar cataracts. Enzyme defficiency is more pronounced in women, the reason I'm not certain of and can't find the source for this info, and this is why women are known to be more at risk from cataract formation.

Exogenous Pyruvate does not coat the eye structures, more that it increase the rate of Krebs Cycle reactions, just 1 of many reactions in the body that is hindered by DNP.


The Galactose caused cataracts is most easily avoided by decreasing your consumption of dairy products, the catarcts are an indirect result of the breakdown of Lactose from milk.


Sorry if that dragged on, and FYI it goes way over my head any deeper than that!!

My pc is having issues so I have been posting from my cell phone. Anyways...interesting info. If I fix the pc without formatting my hard drive...I DO have links. Otherwise I will have to search again.

[Jay-Ace]

My pc is having issues so I have been posting from my cell phone. Anyways...interesting info. If I fix the pc without formatting my hard drive...I DO have links. Otherwise I will have to search again.

That'd be good bro, not dis-counting your oppinion just I wanna know the ins and outs of what I'm taking!!

[TURBOGREEK]

That sucks, can you not wear a dri-fit undershirt??

A climacool vest would help loads!!

daaaaamn Jay. thats some great advise. never thought about that. i've been waiting for the winter to hit so that i can try DNP. the problem is that i'm a bigtime sweater even when it's cool out. unfortunately...this has been an unusually warm winter here in NYC.

anyway...thanks for the advice. i never thought of the dri-fit. nike makes some great dri-fit undergarments. don't know much about climacool but i'm gonna check it out.

thanks again.

[Jay-Ace]

No probs bro!!

Yeah the new range of Nike gear is pretty awesome. I've got a mix of adidas and Nike. I prefer the Nike when training and the Adidas for day-to-day wear.

[liftin4life]

That'd be good bro, not dis-counting your oppinion just I wanna know the ins and outs of what I'm taking!!

I found tons of information about what you said about cataracts. I also found a good bit of information about what I said:

""Prevention of cataract by pyruvate in experimentally diabetic mice: It is known that the induction of cataractous process in this case is initiated by aldose reductase (AR) catalyzed synthesis and accumulation of excessive sorbitol in the lens fibres and epithelium and their consequent osmotic hydration. Synthesis of this and other polyols is competitively inhibited by pyruvate. ""

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract

Here's WHY this is relevant:

""The effect of 2,4-dinitrophenol on adipose-tissue metabolism: Dinitrophenol stimulated oxidation of pyruvate and greatly inhibited the oxidation of lactate.""

http://www.biochemj.org/bj/111/bj1110431.htm

[Jay-Ace]

I found tons of information about what you said about cataracts. I also found a good bit of information about what I said:

""Prevention of cataract by pyruvate in experimentally diabetic mice: It is known that the induction of cataractous process in this case is initiated by aldose reductase (AR) catalyzed synthesis and accumulation of excessive sorbitol in the lens fibres and epithelium and their consequent osmotic hydration. Synthesis of this and other polyols is competitively inhibited by pyruvate. ""

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract

Here's WHY this is relevant:

""The effect of 2,4-dinitrophenol on adipose-tissue metabolism: Dinitrophenol stimulated oxidation of pyruvate and greatly inhibited the oxidation of lactate.""

http://www.biochemj.org/bj/111/bj1110431.htm

Good info bro!!

[spywizard]

i was reading a posible side is clouding of the eyes or cataracts, is this temporary or how do you avoid this happening? im trying to get as much info as possible , i am thinking of using this product

if you do i'll have you banned... with what you have posted from your other thread you need to slow down..

we will help you, but DNP is a serious substance that can mess you up for life..

lets get your aas cycle under control 1st shall we??

thanks

[Jay-Ace]

if you do i'll have you banned... with what you have posted from your other thread you need to slow down..

we will help you, but DNP is a serious substance that can mess you up for life..

lets get your aas cycle under control 1st shall we??

thanks

Thats 2nd 3rd & 4th'd!!!

Please give DNP the respect that it is so rightly owed!!!!

Would you seriously consider possible blindness or even death, just because you cant wait to gain some experience??


If I went blind I'd kill myself without hesitation!!

DOn't be a fool, read the facts, then again, then again, then wait a month and read them again!!