23 M 1st cycle trying to perfect it! Thoughts or Help!!!

[dhriscerr]

Ok, so here it goes, Im 23 been lifting off and on since I was 14 I belive I have a good base and knowlege of lifting and recently have got my diet into check and just recieved my gear. I have 3 bottles of 250mg/ml Test Enethate 10ml. I am trying to decide If i should use just 2 bottles and run 500mg test for 10 weeks at 250mg every 3.5 days or If i should break into the 3rd bottle and go for 12 weeks, I am not using anything but Test since this is my first cycle.

This is what im looking at
weeks
1-10/12 500mg test
1-10/12 .25mg l-dex for bloat and as AI
12-16 or 14-18 ///14 days after last injection .25 L-dex, 100mg Clomid, 20mg Nolva

Should I use Nolva if I have signs of Gyno or should I get letro also???


I can get HCG and was going to run it 250iu's eod from last injection until PCT Started

These are 2 previous post I made, one is what I was thinking at the begging of december and the other is recent pics.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=274208
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=277481

I can get more HCG if I should run it during cycle also? Please let me know what you think of this cycle and if I should make any changes to it???? I am planning on Starting this cycle Jan 15th but if I need more HCG I may push it back

[king6]

Ok, so here it goes, Im 23 been lifting off and on since I was 14 I belive I have a good base and knowlege of lifting and recently have got my diet into check and just recieved my gear. I have 3 bottles of 250mg/ml Test Enethate 10ml. I am trying to decide If i should use just 2 bottles and run 500mg test for 10 weeks at 250mg every 3.5 days or If i should break into the 3rd bottle and go for 12 weeks, I am not using anything but Test since this is my first cycle.

This is what im looking at
weeks
1-10/12 500mg test
1-10/12 .25mg l-dex for bloat and as AI
12-16 or 14-18 ///14 days after last injection .25 L-dex, 100mg Clomid, 20mg Nolva

Should I use Nolva if I have signs of Gyno or should I get letro also???


I can get HCG and was going to run it 250iu's eod from last injection until PCT Started

These are 2 previous post I made, one is what I was thinking at the begging of december and the other is recent pics.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=274208
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=277481

I can get more HCG if I should run it during cycle also? Please let me know what you think of this cycle and if I should make any changes to it???? I am planning on Starting this cycle Jan 15th but if I need more HCG I may push it back

Run the test for 12 weeks. Test E is a slow ester so it may be a while before it kicks in, that is why you should run it longer. Run the AI up until the start of PCT then drop it and run your nolva and clomid. I don't know much about HCG, but I don't plan to use it, if I need extra help recovering, I will just use proviron.

[dhriscerr]

Bump for more answers and thanks King

[MartyMcFly]

I've been reading lately that hcg is better used during cycle and not during pct due to the fact that hcg is suppressive also. Everything King says I agree with also.

[dhriscerr]

Bump for any help with HCG

[dhriscerr]

bump, sorry to keep bumping just trying to get it right

[WelshWarrior]

I wouldn't have thought you'd need it mid cycle at these dosages. It's only really for higher doses and gear that shuts you down hard (e.g. deca).

However, everybody is different and if you want to be cautious you could get it just in case.

[perfectbeast2001]

let your balls be the guide, If they shrink during cycle then I would say hcg at 500iu twice a week is a pretty good dose.

[GHO5T]

Ok, so here it goes, Im 23 been lifting off and on since I was 14 I belive I have a good base and knowlege of lifting and recently have got my diet into check and just recieved my gear. I have 3 bottles of 250mg/ml Test Enethate 10ml. I am trying to decide If i should use just 2 bottles and run 500mg test for 10 weeks at 250mg every 3.5 days or If i should break into the 3rd bottle and go for 12 weeks, I am not using anything but Test since this is my first cycle.

This is what im looking at
weeks
1-10/12 500mg test
1-10/12 .25mg l-dex for bloat and as AI
12-16 or 14-18 ///14 days after last injection .25 L-dex, 100mg Clomid, 20mg Nolva

Should I use Nolva if I have signs of Gyno or should I get letro also???


I can get HCG and was going to run it 250iu's eod from last injection until PCT Started

These are 2 previous post I made, one is what I was thinking at the begging of december and the other is recent pics.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=274208
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=277481

I can get more HCG if I should run it during cycle also? Please let me know what you think of this cycle and if I should make any changes to it???? I am planning on Starting this cycle Jan 15th but if I need more HCG I may push it back

The cycle looks good for a first timer, heres my suggestions

1. Duration IMO should be 12 weeks, since Test E kick in time usually takes anywhere from 4-6 weeks, 12 weeks IMO is the best length and you will see the full effects of the main AAS being used.

2. Change PCT start Time accordingly if you decide to run Test for 12 weeks.

3 PCT- IMO your pct should be kept simple, just like your original cycle. Dont run too many compounds. I would use just an AI and a SERM and keep it simple

4. HCG- IMO there is no need for this compound, HCG is better incorporated when there is a lot of gear being used or heavier cycles.

Alongside a spot on diet and solid training regime you should see some impressive results.

best of luck to you bro

[dhriscerr]

I think im just going to get HCG and have it on hand and if the boys get to bad ill use it at 500ius twice a week, also Im goign to just run nolva and clomid for pct, Ldex during cycle and the two weeks until PCT. Sould my Nolva and Clomid taper, though? start with 150mg clomid and 40 Nolva for days 1,2 then 100mg and 20 from then on until my sex drive is back? Might get letro to better to have everything around just incase, I can always use it later. And 12 weeks it is!!!Thanks guys

[Jason865]

You can put on 15-20lbs more naturally, in 2 years you might be ready for a cycle.

[dhriscerr]

Thats pretty much your answer for everyone ive seen you post on, I appreciate it, and I might not be 100% at my genetic potential, but I dont think but probably 1% of the people that have used are, and I have made huge gains in weightloss diet, training and everything else, 6 years ago I wrestled 125 so I think I've done some pretty awsome gains. Plust 8 months pushing through Iraq on the initial invasion eating 1 MRE a day wasnt exactly luxury on my routine. I was down to 140 lbs 3 1/2 years ago. I do however think that I am ready and have posted alot of things to make sure my cycle is right and done alot of research, Ive bought the anabolics book, read all the stickys got my diet in check, you can see that by the gains ive made in 3 weeks in my picture post. Mind you those gains are without any cardio. Ive read arnolds new encyclopedia of bodybuilding and I have the support of my wife so I have nothing to hide. So you say im not ready, I say I'm as ready as Im going to be, let my results tell my story!

[Jason865]

True, and that is because most people are lazy and not willing to work hard. A great body takes smart and hard work not drug use.

[dhriscerr]

I didnt mean to sound like an asshole, Its just frustrating when I've put all this time and effort into my diet, routine, research and asking questions. Making gains, losing fat, and making sure everything will be perfect, to have someone tell you your not ready. Wish me luck as I'm going to cycle in January. Thank god I found this site however or I woulda got the gear from my friend and went at it blind with no PCT and no AI's. I've even been able to get my friend thats used a few cycles with no PCT to start reading this site and has learned alot and how stupid he was.

[IronReload04]

True, and that is because most people are lazy and not willing to work hard. A great body takes smart and hard work not drug use.

I once read about a guy who had a hard time gaining muscle. He became a beast though. He would eat and eat and eat and eat and eat. And after he was done eating, he would take some more food, put in a blender, and then down it. Sometimes he would puke it back up, if he did, he would make another and down it again until he could finally keep it down.

Another time, he downed 20 liver tabs. Then he projectile vomited them across the room. then he picked each one back up and took those 20 pills and forced them down his hatch.



gainning muscle is extreme, alot of people think they are pros at diet. People dont turn into freaks by eating comfortably.



jut throwing my 2 cents at your argument.

[Mista Massive]

I once read about a guy who had a hard time gaining muscle. He became a beast though. He would eat and eat and eat and eat and eat. And after he was done eating, he would take some more food, put in a blender, and then down it. Sometimes he would puke it back up, if he did, he would make another and down it again until he could finally keep it down.

Another time, he downed 20 liver tabs. Then he projectile vomited them across the room. then he picked each one back up and took those 20 pills and forced them down his hatch.



gainning muscle is extreme, alot of people think they are pros at diet. People dont turn into freaks by eating comfortably.


jut throwing my 2 cents at your argument.

that is so true. i vomit, or come close to it nearly everyday. if i do vomit my food up, i will prepare the same type of food, and go for it again.

back to the HCG. i am on a similar cycle, and like goh5t said, i really don't think HCG is necessary with such a small amount of AS.

they will shrink a bit, but who cares. just have a good PCT lined up, and yes you can use an AI during PCT. check out Pheedno's PCT in the PCT forum.

[dhriscerr]

Thanks guys, awsome help

[GauchB]

Let me start by saying GOOD LUCK!!!

we are all here to help and all of us some way or another feel your pain.

When it comes to gaining weight i am right up there with the worst of them.
My natual build is that of a little school girl. I just had a bad problem with a intestional parasite and that was after 4 years of really hard work eating like I had a bottomless pit and doing cycles 2 times per year for the last 2 years.

All I can tell you is i don't post often but i read post like they are addictive,
listen to GHO5T he is very well informed and I agree with his plan for you especially being your 1st time.

Also anyone who tells you to wait gain more Natty well if you've really been at it for atleast 2-3 years ( and are 23-25years) and you feel ready and willing then nobody is going to change your mind so listen to the ones who give you advice clear of any hateing.