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    Critique this cutting cycle (2 orals)

    Test 500mg/week
    EQ 400-500mg/week (maybe 600 to keep it higher than test)
    Tbol week 1-6
    Winstrol week 6-12

    Nolva throughout
    clomid at end

    This is my 4th cycle at 26 y/o. Currently 185-190 at 5'11

    Not sure about using an oral for the entire 12 weeks, bad idea?

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    Depends on what you indend to dose the tbol and winny at...lower doses may be ok for that long...higher doses, I would say nada.

    IMO, I wouldn't run 17aa orals for more than 6 weeks at a crack, but that is at the doses I run them at...I don't know what you intend to run these at so I can't say.

    If you do run them back to back for 12 weeks, I'd consider a good liver aide.

    Good luck,

    -ShrpSkn

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    BTW, what's your bf%...?

    At your height and weight and with 4 cycles under your belt, I would like to hope that you are certainly single digits.

    If I was you, at them stats, I'd probably be looking to bulk...but as they say, "To each his own".

    -SS

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    Quote Originally Posted by shrpskn
    BTW, what's your bf%...?

    At your height and weight and with 4 cycles under your belt, I would like to hope that you are certainly single digits.

    If I was you, at them stats, I'd probably be looking to bulk...but as they say, "To each his own".

    -SS
    Im not single digits yet. I will probably be around 10 after cutting, maybe 9 if I am more aggressive with cardio. Also, I have no desire to bulk, only because my outlook and goals are different than your average "body builder". I wouldnt call myself a "body builder", per say. Im after a very lean/fit look, but while maintaining a lot of strength. I have a physical job (firefighter), and Ive noticed that once I get over 195, my endurance really starts to go south quickly. The heaviest ive ben is just shy of 200 pounds and I really do prefer to hang around the 185-190 mark (while lean). If anything, I would do a lean bulk. I highly considered it this round, but chose to shed more bodyfat and start a clean bulk from there the next go around.

    Not sure if that makes sense or not.

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    You still didn't answer my first question as to what you intend to dose the tbol and winny at so that someone can give you advice as to whether or not it may be safe to run said comounds for a duration of 12 weeks combined.

    -SS

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    Your stats are average, and after 4 cycles? Your choice.

    Yes, like skinsharp said, doses would be nice.

    I've ran tbol/winstrol much longer than that, so ull live.

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    You should be fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shrpskn
    You still didn't answer my first question as to what you intend to dose the tbol and winny at so that someone can give you advice as to whether or not it may be safe to run said comounds for a duration of 12 weeks combined.

    -SS

    My bad. Well, If I do it, I would prefer the higher end of the dosage scale, especially the Winstrol . Ive used Winstorl before, and I would feel more comfortable doing the dosage I did before (40mg/day). the winstrol caps Im getting are dosed at 25/mg, so I figured I would just do 2 a day at 50mg/day total. I believe tbol's effective dose is 20-40mg a day? These caps are dosed at 10mg.

    So, with that said, 20-30mg/day tbol and 50mg/day winstrol. If running a 17aa over 12 weeks with those isnt something that's suggested, then I could live w/o using the tbol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newbrew
    My bad. Well, If I do it, I would prefer the higher end of the dosage scale, especially the Winstrol . Ive used Winstorl before, and I would feel more comfortable doing the dosage I did before (40mg/day). the winstrol caps Im getting are dosed at 25/mg, so I figured I would just do 2 a day at 50mg/day total. I believe tbol's effective dose is 20-40mg a day? These caps are dosed at 10mg.

    So, with that said, 20-30mg/day tbol and 50mg/day winstrol. If running a 17aa over 12 weeks with those isnt something that's suggested, then I could live w/o using the tbol.
    Run a good liver aide throughout the cycle and get BW checked after the cycle...you should be fine.

    Good luck,

    -SS

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellmask
    Your stats are average, and after 4 cycles? Your choice.

    Yes, like skinsharp said, doses would be nice.

    I've ran tbol/winstrol much longer than that, so ull live.
    Indeed they are But I am quite a bit 'bigger' than every 185 pounder I come across, I can also bench more than 2x my weight now. I guess I mainly train/use for strength advantages, while keeping overall weight to a minimum. Some may say I can do it naturally, but like mentioned above, each to his own.

    My next training goal is a 9 minute 1.5 mile. For myself, thats quite a feat. The heavier you are, the harder it is to meet those kind of goals.

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    why do you want to eq higher than the test?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mkrulic
    why do you want to eq higher than the test?
    My mistake, that was a typo on my part. (typing too quickly) I want the test higher than the EQ.

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