2nd cycle advice - tall order :)

[rustysheriff]

Hi All,

Spent many an hour browsing on here, tons of good/comprehensive info, and now have a question relating to the second cycle I am planning.

Stats are;
30yo male
bw - 100kg
squat - 155kg
bench - 117.5kg
deadlift - 195kg

Training mainly for strongman now, but still just building general strength etc, and have been training for about 3 years. I did an oral tbol cycle for about 6 weeks last october/november, and am planning to do another cycle in the next few months. With the tbol, my gains were good (on squat, bench and overhead anyway) but i didn't manage to keep them very well. This could have been due to a number of factors (not being switched on enough about pct, not eating enough post cycle), and I also felt a lot of pressure on my organs as the cycle went on. I didn't get blood levels checked, but as far as I could tell it was quite possibly liver pressure, and as soon as I came off the tbol I felt much better. I took milk thistle throughout the cycle.

Anyway, for my next cycle I cannot really decide what to use. I am basically looking for something which will give me keepable strangth gains. I am not opposed to injecting, but it seems that most injecable cycles give such gains that they would be hard to keep/maintain afterwards (though i could be wrong about this). I also would prefer something that does not make it too obvious that i am using. I'm not ashamed of taking roids, but in general I don't shout about it, so sould prefer something fairly mild. I have also started seeing someone after being out of action (ie - getting **** all ) for what felt like a very long time, so i am wary of libido dropping off too much.
Based on all this, I thought about oral winny - seems pretty harsh on the liver, but maybe just a short cycle would be ok if i was careful? Decent strength gains, and keepable too from what I read. Anavar - expensive but good as it doesn't shut down natural test production, which i would assume to mean libido is not hugely affected (though i remember reading that this was not the case?) Also easier on the liver than other orals. Like I say, I am not opposed to injecting if there was a suitable cycle/roid to use for what I am looking for.

Also, my bodyfat is fairly high, like about 25% (approx).

Any advice/opinions much appreciated.

Cheers,
Rusty

[Jason865]

With your lifts you have no business steroids!!.....try to be a real man and get in shape the hard way.

[shrpskn]

With your lifts you have no business steroids!!.....try to be a real man and get in shape the hard way.

For the time he put into writing his thread your response was extremely unproductive...I'm sure you gave him just the answer he was looking for.
If you don't have something useful to add to such a thread, than don't post in it.

rustysheriff, some time and someone will give you an educated response to your well written thread, rather than a redundant reply such as the one given to you so far....welcome to AR.

[shrpskn]

Jason865, if you need a refresher, look back on this thread and the brilliant answer you gave to this guys' question:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=278210

[rustysheriff]

Jason865 - fair point. My lifts are comparitively pretty low, but I still think it's my choice to use if I choose to, and do so sensibly.

shrpskn - thanks for the welcome man

[perfectbeast2001]

hey rusty. I don't know where you got the impression that imjectable AS was "more difficult to keep gains". That is not true. Some AS cause water retention which will make one look bigger but of course this will be lost no matter what. With a sensible cycle and correct PCT,diet and training you should keep most if not all gains. I would suggest an injectable cycle of testosterone Enanthate. You will see good size and strength gains, plus you will have a great increase in libido as an added benefit.

Cycle
1-12 Test Enanthate 500mg per week.
keep an AI on hand (like aromasin) in case of gyno or bloat.

PCT run an AI and a SERM. aromasin and Nolvadex would be fine. PCT should commence 14 days after last injection and run for at least 30 days, 45 being my preferred.

Now I am not a strongman and I realise that many of them have a bulky look as it helps with strength, but I would say that 25% BF is not healthy and I would consider losing some fat natrually before commencing your cycle. Also check out the "things to consider" in my sig.

[rustysheriff]

Thanks perfectbeast. Not sure why I thought that about injectables, must have just been my own misconception! I think i'm steering towards a test enan basic cycle like you suggested, and run a good pct after.

Agreed about 25% bf being too high. I went from 56kg (way too skinny I know!) in spring 2004 to 100kg around last summer, but have since checked my bulking a bit, and am now doing my first 'cut' since starting to train pretty much. Incorporating cardio, and also doing more strength endurance stuff for strongman. Bodyfat is dropping, and I hope to get it down some more before my next cycle, then use the cycle to bring strength back up, and re-gain some of the inevitably lost muscle without putting the fat back on.

Thanks again for your input!

Rusty

[perfectbeast2001]

sounds like a good plan to me buddy! Good luck. Try posting diet in the diet forum, you will get lots of useful input there.

[rustysheriff]

Thanks man. With pct, would something like nolva at 40mg a day for the first two weeks, and 20mg a day for the subsequent 4wks, and arimidex at .25mg a day for 4-6wks do the job do you reckon??

Thanks again for advice.