It's cold outside, but hot inside! Dnp Log!

[Jay-Ace]

Decided to try 500mg first thing in the morning. Feel fine. Boy I love this DNP all right. no effects at all! oh wait, no weight loss, sweating, or anything else either.

Finish ya course SVT but keep 1 or 2 caps, do the recovery at the end to shed the water and see what you weigh.

If you've got no results send the 1 or 2 caps to me, I'll test them with ferric chloride and if they're duds I'll make sure you get a full refund!

How does that sound??

[SVTMuscle*]

Sounds good man. I will let you know.

[Jay-Ace]

Out of interest... whats your LBM?? Cant be arsed to go back through posts and work it out!!

Many studies say that you should calaculate the mg/lb or mg/kg on the LBM as any non-LBM does not contribute to the effect. If you get my drift?!?!

[SVTMuscle*]

I am 215, about 16% = 180.6lbs LBM

[Jay-Ace]

I am 215, about 16% = 180.6lbs LBM

Ok so you're taking around about 2.7mg/lb or 5.9mg/kg against your LBM

& around about 2.3mg/lb or 5mg/kg against your true weight.


Thanks, just for reference purposes!!

[SVTMuscle*]

Tried 750mg yestarday and today. Still feel nothing.

[Jay-Ace]

Tried 750mg yestarday and today. Still feel nothing.

I think ur just fvcking odd mate!!




Out of interest, are the caps full of browny/yellow sh1t??

Probably customs being funny fvckers!! I've been through every single cap today in the batch and weighed them!!!!!! All come in at between 0.42g and 0.48g!!

[chest6]

750mg either ur about to die or its bunk

well not die but it should be hitting you

[2.minutes]

hey SVTMuscle i think its time for a new log oF legit DNP

[duramaxedge]

I wouldnt take anymore.. just IMO..

[Snrf]

I wouldnt take anymore.. just IMO..

hey SVTMuscle i think its time for a new log oF legit DNP

I'm on the same stuff, in my room its currently about 4-5 degrees celsius and i'm sweating just eating my dinner.

I think it might be weak or something, maybe the guy buggered up a batch cuz i havent seen huge results after 2 weeks but its definitely real.

plus when i thought it might be fake i opened one up and it stained my finger, 10 days later its still yellow. its DNP alright....

[2.minutes]

I'm on the same stuff, in my room its currently about 4-5 degrees celsius and i'm sweating just eating my dinner.

I think it might be weak or something, maybe the guy buggered up a batch cuz i havent seen huge results after 2 weeks but its definitely real.

plus when i thought it might be fake i opened one up and it stained my finger, 10 days later its still yellow. its DNP alright....

then i take it he isnt as lucky as u

[Snrf]

though to be honest its been exam week and i havent been to the gym for like 8 days, done no cardio and my diet has been poor cuz ive been studying so hard....so i'm sure that has an effect on my weight loss too. plus im def holding water, my stomach jiggles more than usual..i assume thats water retention

[duramaxedge]

my fear is that sometimes our minds over power whats 'safe' if there is a 'safe' dosage.. I dont wanna see someone think somethings 'fake' and continue taking more and more as he was doing (250mg, to 500mg, to 750mg) etc. etc. and end up dying.. Life is more important then shedding pounds.. guess i could be wrong!?!

[Snrf]

my fear is that sometimes our minds over power whats 'safe' if there is a 'safe' dosage.. I dont wanna see someone think somethings 'fake' and continue taking more and more as he was doing (250mg, to 500mg, to 750mg) etc. etc. and end up dying.. Life is more important then shedding pounds.. guess i could be wrong!?!

No way man, i'd rather be dead skinny. (ha, get it? its a pun...j/k)

if he's getting no heat at 750 then its unlikely to kill him, DNP kills thru dehydration and overheating, if hes having neither im sure he'll be fine

[SVTMuscle*]

Im not going to exceed 750mg
I'll probably just end up throwing them away. They are about as usefull as condom with 2 holes in it.

[Jay-Ace]

Im not going to exceed 750mg
I'll probably just end up throwing them away. They are about as usefull as condom with 2 holes in it.

Remember to send me a couple!!!


I front loaded 750mg on Wednesday, 500mg yesterday and I thought i'd wet the bed again last night!! I've stopped the cycle straight away, haven't taken any today as forgot I've got a big party to go to this weekend!!

Will be starting on Monday though at 750mg again, and then 500mg from Tuesday onwards. I'm not too fussed if i "die"

[Snrf]

Remember to send me a couple!!!


I front loaded 750mg on Wednesday, 500mg yesterday and I thought i'd wet the bed again last night!! I've stopped the cycle straight away, haven't taken any today as forgot I've got a big party to go to this weekend!!

Will be starting on Monday though at 750mg again, and then 500mg from Tuesday onwards. I'm not too fussed if i "die"

you can drink on DNP, I did it the other night. Everyone thought i was odd that I drank a pint of water for each pint I drank though. Plus it had the nasty side effect of making me wake up with a fatty (and i wasnt even drunk...no excuse...)

i wouldn't drink spirits or get really wasted tho, probably be a good way to die, plus i drank like 3 litres b4 bed, 2 litres before we started and a pint of water for each pint of beer... and i drank like 8 pints, didn't go mad.

i don't recommend this to everyone btw!

[Jay-Ace]

you can drink on DNP, I did it the other night. Everyone thought i was odd that I drank a pint of water for each pint I drank though. Plus it had the nasty side effect of making me wake up with a fatty (and i wasnt even drunk...no excuse...)

i wouldn't drink spirits or get really wasted tho, probably be a good way to die, plus i drank like 3 litres b4 bed, 2 litres before we started and a pint of water for each pint of beer... and i drank like 8 pints, didn't go mad.

i don't recommend this to everyone btw!

I get drunk probably 2 or 3 times a year MAX!! Only 1 out of the 2 or 3 I'll be wasted wasted!

This is gonna be a wasted night so will probably get through a litre of vodka plus a dozen or so sambucas and the odd bottle of Magners!!

I can drink like a fish!!

[the.tunisian.muscle]

svt , did you find a solution ?????

DNP is fake or it s your body ????

[SVTMuscle*]

I unno how its my body, i took 750mg for about 4 days, I'm completely off it now, the only thing I noticed was a little bit of night sweating, but that could have just merely been from changing beds and moving back into the dorms, its always hot here at night

[the.tunisian.muscle]

you know


i never used dnp but i read all about DNP

all what you can find on dnp on google

and you are the first that i heard who doesn t have effects

its very strange, i think that the DNP is fake.

you said that you increased the dose, so if you see no ameliorations it means that it s fake

it s my opinion, because no matter your genetics is good or bad, the chemical effects are same on all body on this earth.

sorry for my english, my maternal langage is french...

[the.tunisian.muscle]

Soon i will use it,

and i could speak about it as dnp user

Wrong.

Gsxxr

[the.tunisian.muscle]

It wont be.

Gsxxr

[*Narkissos*]

so SVt:

So did you toss it?

Did you ever get the caps tested?

What direction did you choose to take fitness-wise?


And "Two4the$$" you didn't tell us you were formerly that antagonistic bastard: "TrumanHW".

I was wondering where he disappeared to.

[SVTMuscle*]

so SVt:

So did you toss it?

Did you ever get the caps tested?

What direction did you choose to take fitness-wise?


And "Two4the$$" you didn't tell us you were formerly that antagonistic bastard: "TrumanHW".

I was wondering where he disappeared to.

I did not toss them, I got 4-5 lying around, I've been meaning to return to sender to get tested.

Fitness wise, I switched it up to 45 minutes of AM cardio 6 times a week, along with 20-30 minutes post workout 2-3 times a week. And keeping my diet strict as possible. And training wise, keeping rest times between 45 seconds to 60, and incorporating mostly supersets and dropsets after I'm done the main compound exercises. And started doing abs 3 times week.

[Two4the$$]

It's either fake, or old enough to have EXPIRED. they do, apparently. I've been through it personally.

I'd definitely recommend not making any assumptions about your tolerance based on this experiment, and start slowly should you get real DNP from elsewhere. Could be a very unpleasant mistake, Personally, 250 - 350mg ED for me is BRUTAL. 400mg ED and i DID feel like I was going to pass the fvck out one day playing pool.

[Conciliator]

It's either fake, or old enough to have EXPIRED. they do, apparently. I've been through it personally.

DNP has a very long shelf life. I got a bottle of Sigma Aldrich DNP that was a decade old and the stuff worked just fine.

I'd definitely recommend not making any assumptions about your tolerance based on this experiment, and start slowly should you get real DNP from elsewhere. Could be a very unpleasant mistake, Personally, 250 - 350mg ED for me is BRUTAL. 400mg ED and i DID feel like I was going to pass the fvck out one day playing pool.

I agree, make sure to ease into it when you get a new product. Go with a reputable seller like P or D. Stay at each dosage for 4 or 5 days before increasing it any further. Monitor your temperature and make sure it stays below 99.2.

What source were you using BTW? It's probably in the thread somewhere, but I didn't see it.

[Conciliator]

Your body struggles to convert T4 into T3 whilst taking DNP due to an enzyme defficiency.

Could you elaborate on this? It's been well established that DNP inhibits T4 binding to serum albumin, which actually increases total free T4 levels. This results in an accelerated clearance from circulation and a drop in protein bound iodine levels.

[Conciliator]

Sounds good.Remember quality DNP will have few sides,it has been known some people think it`s fake.Next few days bump it up to 500mg.

No offense, but this is a line of bullshit that's been fed by those who sell under dosed DNP products. The side effects are proprotional to the dosage. When you take an under dosed product or use a product that contains crystal DNP (which is 75% DNP by weight), then you'll have fewer sides simply on account of the lower dose of actual DNP. It's not becayse of the product blend or because it's higher quality DNP. It's because you're taking less DNP. People often say that powder has more side effects, but this is because you're getting more actual DNP. Of course you'll have more side effects. When you adjust for equivalency (e.g. 75mg powder or 100mg crystal), the effects are identical, or "therapeutically indistinguishable" as Cutting and Tainter said in the 1930's.

[Conciliator]

To name one affliction i've had post-use: DNP affected my vision... That was serious to me.

This is one possible side effect, though the effects on vision are very specific. What exactly happened with your vision? Did you see an opthamologist?

I wrote one of the DNP profiles used on the message boards.. so to question my anxillary use (anti-oxidants etc.) would be laughable.

I do commend you for writing a profile and making an effort to educate people, but the sad fact is that the majority of DNP users' guides on the internet are just attrocious. There's an incredible amount of false information.

I have friends who have used the compound and been negatively affected.

The 'seriousness' of an affliction is determined by the value assigned to it by the affected individual.

It is amusing how safe so many people claim this compound to be...

I'll reserve judgement when someone can show me a subgroup of individuals who have done it on and off for decades.

Until then...'safe' is laughable.

Until then.. 'safe' is speculation.

Laughable speculation.

People often seem to attribute the dangers and discomforts of a high dose DNP cycle to a cycle of DNP at any dose. This is a big mistake to make. People routinely push their dosages too high and then ironically bitch about the side effects they've essentially chosen via their dosages. Low dose DNP cycles are making a comeback. They're still profoundly effective at raising metabolic rate and have very few side effects and risks.

[Conciliator]

The increase in cataracts was correlated to its FDA ban, and then never backed up by any empirical evidence to validate the idea.

This is completely incorrect. There's a great deal of evidence supporting DNP's cataractogenic effects, including the mechanism of action.

Point is ... it's no less ludicrous to deem AAS safe than it is to deem DNP, or recreational drugs of any sort safe. People die from general anesthesia. General anesthesia is used in many elective surgical procedures. It is legal to do them in all countries I know of. No one anywhere is in an uproar, and the FDA isn’t regarding it as an epidemic.

You made a nice point here. I liked this.

And incidentally, Nolvadex will adversely affect your vision, too.

Correct; another nice point. I'd love to see the incidence rates of tamoxifen-induced cataractogenesis. Anyone know?

[Conciliator]

My point is that your complaining about no results with fat loss. DNP will take a good 3-4 days to deplete the body's glycogen stores before it can efficiently burn stored fat and feel it`s effect.Thats why if your a very advanced user front loading is the best form of attack,I dont recommend this for newbs.With your low dose and the quality of DNP you have,just be patient.

Not quite. DNP will increase metabolic rate after the first dose. The caloric deficit that's created, like that of exercise, will be met with both glycogen and FFA's, and primarily the latter. Basically, it's incorrect to say that DNP doesn't burn fat until glycogen has been depleted. This is not the case.

[Conciliator]

Don't quote me on this coz can't remember where I read it....

Sorry, but I'm going to quote you

It's something to do with womens liver enzyme levels IIRC. During a DNP cycle many bodily enzymes end up in defficiency, as I'm sure you're well aware enzymes are rather important!!

This seems like pretty vague claim. Do you have any specifics or references?

It was mainly women that suffered from cataracts back in the 30's, this again due, in some parts, to a defficiency of Galactokinase.. causing a condition known as Galatosemia. You can reduce your risks of this happening by following a low-dairy diet!!

It is true that primarily women suffered from catacts (at a 0.1 to 1% incidence rate), but they were the main ones taking the drug. Galatosemia is not the cause of DNP-induced cataract. This is incorrect. DNP cataracts are due to a rare, second order metabolite of DNP that's a semiquinone. It's not the lack of something that causes them, but the presence. Those who are suspectible to them either can't neutralize this cataractogenic substance or produce it in excess due to hepatic idiosyncracies.

Obviously it's your choice, but if I were you (i'd never be bored being a woman...mmmm)...... anyway.......... If I were you I'd wait the 4 weeks just to be sure, I value my sight above everything else, if i went blind I'd kill myself!!

If I were you, I wouldn't even worry about taking time off, unless you feel you need it. In the original research, people were routinely kept on DNP for months at a time, to over a year, without losses in LBM. There's no reason to think it's mandatory to cycle off every couple of weeks.

[SVTMuscle*]

And Conciliator comes in and lays the smack down.
I'm going to give it a run again this summer when im on GH and IGF.

[Conciliator]

Also - since we're on the topic of DNP ... I'm posting my standard challenge for any FEMALE MOD who thinks she has documentation about the effects of DNP on female reproduction. Still waiting to see an opinion on that with "pubmed" PhD, or anything the likes...

The evidence shows that DNP lacks taratogenic effects (doesn't produce birth defects). Nor does it cause reproductive problems. However, the incidence rate could just be so low that it hasn't been identified. For example, fetal alcohol syndrome escaped notice for decades. Basically, there's no reason to think that DNP has untoward effects in these regards, but it's still a possiblity.

[Conciliator]

And Conciliator comes in and lays the smack down.
I'm going to give it a run again this summer when im on GH and IGF.

How are you doin SVT? Hopefully you don't mind me temporarily taking over your thread... There's just a lot I wanted to respond to

[Conciliator]

You must CHANGE your body temperature... you must FEEL HEAT...

1 calorie = the amount of energy to increase 1 gram water by 1 degree celcius.

Get it? You MUST increase temperature. If you'd usually be cold, because it's 40 degrees F, and on DNP you're comfy, fine. But if it's 75 degrees, and you're on 250 or more, and you feel nothing, theres a problem. Figure it out.

You've got things a little mixed up. You don't need a change in body temperature for DNP to be working. Definitely not. Rather, you need a change in heat production. At lower to moderate dosages, your body is able to radiate the extra heat being produced. Your temperautre won't even rise. In fact, it might even drop due to overcompensation. There are guys over at m-e-s-o right now on 300-400mg/day (pure powder) who have temperatures in the 96's.

In fact, when your body is no longer able to radiate the excess heat being produced and when your core body temperature starts to increase, is exactly when you're taking too much DNP. Your core body temperature SHOULD'T change. I like Simkins approach from his extensive trial in 1937. As soon as anyone's temperature exceeded 99.2, he'd drop or discontinue the dose. Not 103, not 101, but 99.2 degrees, the upper end of normal. As soon as body temperature starts to increase, small increases in the dosage can result in large and dangerous increases in body temperature.

Real DNP increases heat production. It sholdn't be increasing your body temperature though, or you're taking too much.

[NewVader]

This is completely incorrect. There's a great deal of evidence supporting DNP's cataractogenic effects, including the mechanism of action.
You made a nice point here. I liked this.
Correct; another nice point. I'd love to see the incidence rates of tamoxifen-induced cataractogenesis. Anyone know?

hey concilliator, you seem to be very knowledgable on dnp. are you a doctor? could you post your own personal guide to dnp...it'd be great info

also what can you do to prevent cataract formation?

nolvadex gave me v blurried vision at 20mg/day after 10 days...it went back to normal after discontinuing, but I guess not exactly as before.. neverhad problems with clomid....would this make me more prone to problems while using dnp?

[Conciliator]

hey concilliator, you seem to be very knowledgable on dnp. are you a doctor? could you post your own personal guide to dnp...it'd be great info

I considered writing a user's guide, and probably will some day, but am currently working on a book project on DNP. Take a look at this post for a little information on my background with DNP. It begins with "I got started in all this..."

also what can you do to prevent cataract formation?

See this post.

nolvadex gave me v blurried vision at 20mg/day after 10 days...it went back to normal after discontinuing, but I guess not exactly as before.. neverhad problems with clomid....would this make me more prone to problems while using dnp?

Honestly, I'm not sure what the mechanism of action is behind nolvadex-induced cataracts. Taking it along with DNP would probably increase your risk. If you've taken SERMS in the past, however, I don't think it would have any effect on your risk for developing cataracts during a subsequent cycle of DNP.