Arrested for signature

[NYG]

I've done several searches and half the posts say "never sign for a package" and the other half say "I sign all the time, no problem."

Has anyone ACTUALLY ever heard of someone signing for a package (domestic or foriegn delivery) and getting arrested or it.

Or even getting arrested for not signing. Either way your input would be appreciated.

[RA]

Ive ordered domestic many times, never had to sign anything.

[SMCengineer]

It's usually not domestic orders that you would have to sign for, it's only foreign packages when they get seized by customs. With that said, it's not worth the chance in signing for any package when most reputable sources will resend your order if it gets seized.

[G-1000]

Micky Mouse signs for me all the time.

[Jucinator2]

Well you also have to be alert. My reguler mail guy knows me and I know him, If any body else tries to bring me my package, I would not sign for it.

[briancb1]

Micky Mouse signs for me all the time.

Thats funny, I'm going to start signing everything mickey mouse.

[S431M7]

it is a risky biz when it comes to oversea order esp. large qty. Just say no to signature request

I've done several searches and half the posts say "never sign for a package" and the other half say "I sign all the time, no problem."

Has anyone ACTUALLY ever heard of someone signing for a package (domestic or foriegn delivery) and getting arrested or it.

Or even getting arrested for not signing. Either way your input would be appreciated.

[NYG]

This is pretty much all heresay. It's pretty much common sense that it is risky and not the best way to do things, but I am stuck in this situation and there's nothing I can do other than refuse the package. But Why? I have never heard of anyone in this entire forum say they or someone they knew was arrested for accepting a package.

[Maldorf]

I would check with your source and see if they requested sig.

[NYG]

They did, to my displeasure.

[gtxben]

Back in the day, I always had to go to the P.O. to pickup and sign for packages from across seas as I was never home when they attempted the deliver. I had no problems. Also, I had a package have to get resent several times by source because it kept getting seized by customs....one of the last times, the package finally made it through customs after sitting there for a couple of weeks, and those funny fckrs actually took my sh!t out and left me with a little tupperware container with a sticker in it explaining that they took the contents! There must be some huge mutha's working customs :-D

On a side note....if you have to sign for something, just have a puzzled look on your face like you don't know what the fck your signing for and if by some small chance someone pops out on ya, act innocent and like you did nothing wrong. I mean if a package arrives at my door, maybe its someone sending me a small inheritance or something???? Curiousity man!

PS - Maybe clean the house as a precautionary step in the event that anyone would want to search anything.......IMO, probably nothing to worry about. Although I've never EVER received anything than my own personal supply, so bulk orders could potentially raise a red flag.

my 2 cents.

[Streaker]

I don't understand why people will not sign for things. If it's the cops all you have to say is you thought it was something that you ordered from amazon. All signing does is show that you received a package it does not mean you knew what is in the package. Every once an a while I will get a random package in the mail from my work or a family member and I will sign for it not knowing who sent it or what is in the package.

[Bigmax]

Yes there have been several instances where guys were arrested and warrants served on international aswell as domestic deliveries...They called"controlled Delivery"

[1zach4]

so do you really have to worry about controlled deliveries if your order is being sent to a personal mailbox and not your residential addy or P.O. box?

[Bigmax]

There is always a risk bro..no matter where it is..

[Maldorf]

Someone mentioned the post mail box, that is the way to go. The person at the store will sign for your package when it arrives.

[NYG]

Yes there have been several instances where guys were arrested and warrants served on international aswell as domestic deliveries...They called"controlled Delivery"

Do you know if they had prior law enforcement attention, or if LE just wanted to make examples of these poor guys. What happened to them, if you know.

[nandro_shagg]

knew a guy that got arrested for signing for over seas...feds were waiting on him to accept... *Edited* from russia will draw some attention though...guy told the feds it was a package ordered from a russian exchange student at the local college and he didnt know what it was, cops acttually let him go for a few months, when he moved across country though they confinscated his computer and saw he authorised the sale and nailed him...

[djack99587]

ive signed for package before with no prob

[NYG]

knew a guy that got arrested for signing for over seas...feds were waiting on him to accept... *Edited* from russia will draw some attention though...guy told the feds it was a package ordered from a russian exchange student at the local college and he didnt know what it was, cops acttually let him go for a few months, when he moved across country though they confinscated his computer and saw he authorised the sale and nailed him....

That's a HUGE quantity of a dangerous recreational drug. The gov't will be on that like stink on sh*t.
Thanks for your inputs, every little bit helps.

[yourmom]

Ups and FedX drivers in my area are very busy, they practically throw it out the truck door while they drive by. USPS I try to avoid using, they have to many rules they have to follow.

[kuad]

in my bldg the doorman signs. but i never heard of anyone getting into trouble for signing, i think it is just proof for the sender.

[finny]

I think people are getting too paranoid with gear shipping. I mean there is a difference if it's for personal use or resale. Whether someone orders mainstream recreational drugs vs steroids - recreational drugs can be shared or distributed. Are you going to ask your friends at the next party, who wants a shot of test?

From my perspective, I'm not too worried about the legal aspect other than the customs flagging me in their system, making it more difficult the next time we go accross the border.

[KeepingItBalanced]

signed with no probs... looked puzzled, the post lost my package once and asked me what it was, where it came from, etc... and I said i had no clue what it was

[Coop77]

I don't think it matters if you sign or not... From what I've read, during a controlled delivery, they will deliver the package, give you a few hours/days to open it, then raid your house. If the package is opened and in your possession, you're going down.

[anabolicpower]

Ironically, i never had problems with signing for gear (did it a few times) but i almost always had problems with the ****ing customs when i receive supplements like protein and amino acids especially when there is not an invoice on the package.. i live in europe. And these customs officers are the most annoying people on the world i swear !!

[timtim]

On a side note....if you have to sign for something, just have a puzzled look on your face like you don't know what the fck your signing for and if by some small chance someone pops out on ya, act innocent and like you did nothing wrong. I mean if a package arrives at my door, maybe its someone sending me a small inheritance or something???? Curiousity man

good idea, signing shows possession which is everything in the eyes of the law. dont make recommendations if you arent sure of the consequences cause your scenario would have a 100% arrest tally.

[RANA]

It really does not matter if you sign for it or not, you take possession of the merchandise. Most likely they already have a search warrant for your residence and they where just waiting for you to be home (easier to question you at your house). Also with the search warrant they will all be seizing your computer and conducting a forensic exam on it. It will probably show then where you order your gear from.
P.O. box is a great idea, but when you get a P.O. remember if the company makes you give them your real name when signing up for it, well lets just say you can’t hide.

[reppedout1]

domestic imo opinion is the way to go,thousands of packs get sent everyday, if ur pack is leakin oil then they would have reason to search other than that they could imo care less

[RANA]

domestic imo opinion is the way to go,thousands of packs get sent everyday, if ur pack is leakin oil then they would have reason to search other than that they could imo care less

Domestic is the way to go, they need a search warrant to search domestic. For international there is no warrant needed to search packages.

[Ufa]

Yes there have been several instances where guys were arrested and warrants served on international aswell as domestic deliveries...They called"controlled Delivery"

Best to order domestic until Bush is out of office.

[BG]

Do not sign if the post master is the one with the package.

[RANA]

Best to order domestic until Bush is out of office.

These laws have nothing to do with President Bush, these are preexisting laws. Customs uses "Border Search" authority under Title 19 of the USC.

[RickGix]

if you have a package seized by customs, then you try and order it again and its seized multiple times will they hunt you down or just keep taking it and sending letters?

[guest589745]

never had to sign, always used a fake name.

[TAPPER]

Originally posted by: NYG

Has anyone ACTUALLY ever heard of someone signing for a package (domestic or foriegn delivery) and getting arrested or it.

Or even getting arrested for not signing.

Yes. If they are executing a controlled delivery once you take possession chances are they will arrest you on the spot. A warrant, resulting from the act of taking possession of an illegal substance, will follow and your home, computer, records, etc will be seized and scrutinized for proof against you. If you are not home they are not going to leave an illegal substance sitting around unsupervised so either you’re a “big fish” and your home is under constant surveillance or they will deliver when you are there. (grabbing your wife for possession while your at work and then leaning on her to roll by threatining the kids will be taken away is a possibility)

The act of signing is not necessarily the key to incrimination (you can be arrested for taking possession of the package w/o signing) but I think (pure speculation here) it would only help their case. If you can’t explain why you signed for a package from Serbia (assuming you don’t know anyone living there and can’t prove you were expecting a legitimate purchase from there) it might not sound good at trial. If they find proof (computer, payment receipt, phone call, etc) you sent for an illegal substance from Serbia and then signed for a package from Serbia its all over. At least if you didn’t sign MAYBE it wouldn’t be such damming evidence.

IMO, don’t ever sign (why even take a remote chance if you don’t need to) and don’t get delivery’s sent to your home. Accepting a controlled delivery at ones home is guaranteed to result in a search warrant for that residence. On the other hand a PO Box, mail service, etc could offer a slight buffer from a guaranteed home search depending on your circumstances. (for example: if your computer is kept at your gf’s house getting a warrant to search a her home based on your taking possession of an item in your PO box is a HUGE stretch unless your both obviously running a drug ring)

Originally posted by: yourmom

Ups and FedX drivers in my area are very busy, they practically throw it out the truck door while they drive by. USPS I try to avoid using, they have to many rules they have to follow.

I agree the drivers for the private companies are usually extremely busy, but if there is an issue with a package its going to be dealt with long before the driver gets it. The sender signs away your rights when they use a private carrier and no warrant is required for the courier to open a suspicious package. (read the fine print on the UPS or FedX form) And don’t think for a minute that the courier isn’t going to freely cooperate with a request from LE to scope out your goods.

On the other hand, USPS is a Federal agency and must comply with the appropriate laws. Once postage is paid and the package is not posing a threat (leaking, ticking, etc) they need a warrant to open it. This means a reasonable amount of proof is necessary, the DA and a Judge are involved, etc. Now, items that are required to pass through customs are a different story (customs trumps em all) but for domestic stuff USPS, IMO, is the safest way to go.

[ascendant]

personally, i think any sensible, experienced source would not require you to sign a package. it's just much safer that way on both ends cause if you get caught, that will help point them in the direction of your source. if the package doesn't need to be signed for and they're asking for a sig, then there's a red flag right there. otherwise, you really have no way of knowing and the source leaves you far more vulnerable to getting arrested.

also, as others have already stated, for the most part, they don't care about busting someone who's getting this stuff for personal use. it's pretty pathetic when a LE agency is wasting time busting steroid users balls instead of trying to bust down on REAL drug dealers *Edited* . it's very very rare you ever hear of them busting steroid purchasers. that's not to say it doesn't happen of course, but expecting it to is like expecting to win the lottery.

also, though i don't know all the laws that well, i don't think it would be too hard to get the case dropped with a good lawyer. i mean, you can use the justification that you self-administered HRT, go to a doc during pct while test levels are low to get a blood test to show your test levels are extremely low, and right there it's no longer abuse, but a necessity for good health and well being. now, i couldn't imagine any good lawyer having a problem convincing a jury of the health concerns of low test levels and the necessity of it for your well being. i don't think they'd completely drop the entire case, but i'd say at worst you'd be looking at probation.

[RANA]

also, as others have already stated, for the most part, they don't care about busting someone who's getting this stuff for personal use. it's pretty pathetic when a LE agency is wasting time busting steroid users balls instead of trying to bust down on REAL drug dealers *Edited* . it's very very rare you ever hear of them busting steroid purchasers. that's not to say it doesn't happen of course, but expecting it to is like expecting to win the lottery.



also, though i don't know all the laws that well, i don't think it would be too hard to get the case dropped with a good lawyer. i mean, you can use the justification that you self-administered HRT, go to a doc during pct while test levels are low to get a blood test to show your test levels are extremely low, and right there it's no longer abuse, but a necessity for good health and well being. now, i couldn't imagine any good lawyer having a problem convincing a jury of the health concerns of low test levels and the necessity of it for your well being. i don't think they'd completely drop the entire case, but i'd say at worst you'd be looking at probation.

Part 1 The cops are just doing there job.

Part 2 Wrong, if they take the time to pursue you they will prosecute you. I am sure going in front of a jury 5'10" 240lbs., I am sure they can make the assumption that you are in pretty good health and the gear was not to make you feel better. It is the same if they catch a guy with *Edited* , they don’t test him to see if he using they just charge him with possession. They will not test you for using if you are arrested.

[unoigo]

Never heard of anyone being arrested for signing a package.... usually it's a few hours later when you open it and put your gear away in your drawer.

Domestic sources don't use signature required,

For those of you who use overseas pharms, most give you the option of regular airmail (no sig) and registered airmail (sig req)

They do this because registered airmail has been seen to have a better success rate that std. Don't ask why because I don't know. It's just what I've been told by sources. And...... registered airmail usually arrives a bit quicker.

[rafael]

my mailman leaves it @ the door like i told him too. if anyone else shows up and tried to get me to sign,...ill curse them out..call them a pig / officer and slam the door in their face why....bcse i can.