does npp normally hurt this much?

[mickdiesel]

so I did my first shot 2 days ago in the left delt and the second shot in the right delt. today the pain in the left delt is close to debilitating. the right has actually traveled down to the tricep. my tricep is huge and feels more cut. I thought that was weird. now I'm rambling. I also got severe lethargy the first day and a little lesser the second day.



the point of this long and wandering post is to ask if anyone else has had these experiences and any advice they might have. thanks.

stats:
5'7"
232lbs.
25yrs. old
3rd cycle

current cycle:
16 weeks
1-16 prop 700mg
1-12 eq 700mg
1-4 winny 50mg/ed
11-16 npp 600mg
13-16 winny 50mg/ed

pct:
week 1 clomid 200mg/ed
week 1-2 nolva 40mg/ed
week 2 clomid 100mg/ed
week 3-4 clomid 50mg/ed
week 3-4 nolva 20mg/ed

might make it 6 weeks with same dosages as 3-4. ad I might add hcg. don't know

look forward to hearing from u, thanks

[mickdiesel]

bump??

[mickdiesel]

aaaaaaaaand bump

[GHO5T]

so I did my first shot 2 days ago in the left delt and the second shot in the right delt. today the pain in the left delt is close to debilitating. the right has actually traveled down to the tricep. my tricep is huge and feels more cut. I thought that was weird. now I'm rambling. I also got severe lethargy the first day and a little lesser the second day.



the point of this long and wandering post is to ask if anyone else has had these experiences and any advice they might have. thanks.

stats:
5'7"
232lbs.
25yrs. old
3rd cycle

current cycle:
16 weeks
1-16 prop 700mg
1-12 eq 700mg
1-4 winny 50mg/ed
11-16 npp 600mg
13-16 winny 50mg/ed

pct:
week 1 clomid 200mg/ed
week 1-2 nolva 40mg/ed
week 2 clomid 100mg/ed
week 3-4 clomid 50mg/ed
week 3-4 nolva 20mg/ed

might make it 6 weeks with same dosages as 3-4. ad I might add hcg. don't know

look forward to hearing from u, thanks

I always get alot of post injection pain and swelling when i shoot into my delts, doesnt matter what compound it is.

You might consider shooting in a different site, try avoiding the delts, and you could cut the NPP shot with another compound or b-12.

[mickdiesel]

I actually shoot .2cc's of b12, 1.2cc's of prop, and .9cc's of npp every shot. still hurts like a mother. I shoot delts all the time and never this much pain. I only use prop too which is notoriously painful. npp just seems to be worse. the lethargy is killer too. u ever experience that?

[GHO5T]

I actually shoot .2cc's of b12, 1.2cc's of prop, and .9cc's of npp every shot. still hurts like a mother. I shoot delts all the time and never this much pain. I only use prop too which is notoriously painful. npp just seems to be worse. the lethargy is killer too. u ever experience that?

With prop, i always experience pain, no matter what site i inject in. However NPP doesnt seem to be too bad for me most of the time no pain. Is the pain to the point where its affecting your workouts?

Lethargy is usually caused by high RBC count, so you might consider giving blood, that could do the trick for your lethargy.

[mickdiesel]

hey gho5t, what's ur bf? I have the exact same build as you and it looks like around the same bf. ur probably taller,everyone is, but I haven't had my bf done in a while and I was wondering. and this question is of coursed based on the assumption that you are aware of ur bf%. thanks

[Two4the$$]

Uh, whats the concentration of your NPP, and what brand is it? Does it state the BA content?

[mickdiesel]

its ugl, not sayin names, 100mg/ml and no

[Two4the$$]

100 shouldn't hurt an iotta - 150mg is fine ... does it state the ingredients?

[elitetky]

the right has actually traveled down to the tricep. my tricep is huge and feels more cut


i am very sure you are not injecting into the muscles , it sits around your fats thats why

[mickdiesel]

lol, I definitely shot into the muscle. straight in the middle of the delt and I have pretty big fu**in delts. it definitely ran down somehow but it was definitely in the delt

[GHO5T]

hey gho5t, what's ur bf? I have the exact same build as you and it looks like around the same bf. ur probably taller,everyone is, but I haven't had my bf done in a while and I was wondering. and this question is of coursed based on the assumption that you are aware of ur bf%. thanks

My BF is around 9%, currently on a bulker so hopefully it doesnt go too high.

But anyway do you feel pain only when injecting into your delts, or is there pain at every site.

[mickdiesel]

shit ur bf is waaaay lower than mine. mine is floatin at about 14 or so. anyway, yeah every site. the left delt was just real bad for some reason. its better now, def not infected just achey. I know its totally off toic but what do u think of my pct? its at the top in my first post. thanks

[Bigmax]

Uh, whats the concentration of your NPP, and what brand is it? Does it state the BA content?

You know better than to discuss brands on the open forum bro...

[Bigmax]

If the BA content is high its going to hurt bro...there is plenty of compounds out there made with EO(ethyl oleate) which is painless.

[GHO5T]

shit ur bf is waaaay lower than mine. mine is floatin at about 14 or so. anyway, yeah every site. the left delt was just real bad for some reason. its better now, def not infected just achey. I know its totally off toic but what do u think of my pct? its at the top in my first post. thanks

Looks fine, if it has worked for you in the past than i would stick with the same protocol. I usually run clomid alongside an AI (letro or arimidex), however most bros ive talked to say they have gotten great results from anthony roberts PCT protocol, so im giving that a try at the end of my cycle.

Also you might consider starting the winni earlier, at your current duration for the compound you will have about 3 weeks of the compound, IMO you will get more and see optimal results from winni when you run it for a total of 6-8 weeks.

[guest589745]

I got the same kind apain so I shoot more frequently and use less in each injection which has seemed to help alleviate 75% of the post injection pain associated with nandrolone phenylpropionate, tesosterone propionate and drostanolone propionate apparently, for me anyway.

[Two4the$$]

Um, I haven't come across many labs that are using EO ... and for what? I haven't seen anything with concentrations that are high enough to indicate that they'd have cause to use it.

Plus ... it's EXPENSIVE in stark contrast to BA and oil ... so there'd also be a change in price of the product...and I think only a small percentage of people would be willing to pay such a price... few businesses are based on such specialized interest.

[guest589745]

EO makes the pain lessened and the oil thinner.