I don't want this to turn into a debate whether or not it sould be used at the end of a cycle, I have already read all of those posts. Right now I am in my 6th week of 200mg Prop/Suspention eod along with 100mg tren eod, and 50mg winny ed. I plan on continuing this for another 2wks. In the past I have done hcg in wk 9-10, after all steroids, but that was after a cycle of sust. and decca. So I am wondedring if on this cycle I should also waite until wk 9-10 @ 5000iu's wk, or can I go ahead and add it to wk 7-10, while still using the prop and winny. Of course I will add clomid after the hcg.