deca dose = or > test e dose???

[needles]

On the educational threads I've read that anyone stacking test e should take the equal amount of test e or more test e than the other injectable gear(ie deca ).

I've seen posts where most people take more deca than test. Almost half the amount.

I've seen it recommended both ways. What's the right thing to do?

[fLgAtOr]

As long as you have at least a replacement dose of test, you will be fine...Regardless of your dose of deca .

Any loss of sex drive, would be caused by other factors...

[needles]

thanks,

anyone else?

[IFR]

My test is always higher than my deca . I use 2mg per pound of body weight to get a rough estimate of deca dosage.

[Halfcenturian]

Play it safe and do it this way

Standard bread and butter. You can fukc around Deca /Test ratio next cycle.

Week 1-6 Dbol 40mg-60mg 1/2 dose am, 1/2 dose pm
Week 1-12 500 Test E 250mg on Mon. 250mg on Thurs.
Week 1-10 400 Deca 200mg on Mon. 200mg on Thurs.
Mix Deca with Test in one 3ml syringe. Less inject pain, if any.
Week 1-12 .50mg Proviron
Week 1-12 .25mg Adex
Week 7-12 Anavar 60-80mg/ED 1/2 dose am 1/2 dose pm

Be sure to go 2 extra weeks on Test after stopping Deca.

Week 14-19 PCT Aromasin 20 mg/ED. Proviron 50mg/ED.
Keep Letro and Dostinex on hand just in case. Nolva is bad to use with Deca for PCT. Letro for gyno. Dost for high prolactin (milky tits).
I personally really like Dostinex. It's the Tren of libido enhancers.
Woody Woodpecker City.

[frank12391]

If you are inexperienced and don't know how your body reacts to decca and other compounds that suppress you then you should use a little more test than say decca or eq. At least until you get a few cycles under your belt. Some people can get away with a hrt dose of test in their stacks and some get totally shut down on small amounts of decca, especially the first few cycles, subjective to the individual. It's better to follow the advice of the educational threads to begin with and then try different compounds and get to know how your body reacts to them.

Just my 2 cents worth.

[frank12391]

L/dex throughout cycle 0.25mg
stop deca 2 weeks before test
start P.C.T 2 weeks after test
week 1 - 2 Clomid 100mg Nolva 40mg l/dex 0.25 - 0.5mg or Aromasin 20mg
week 3 - 4 Comid 50mg Nolva 20mg l/dex 0.25 - 0.5mg or Aromasin 20mg
Don't use Aromasin if lipids are a concern, ie if you are using winni or orals with exception of var. Use a serm/AI combo
Proviron if your sex drive is suffering.

Letro on hand, if gyno symptoms appear, drop l/dex start letro immediatly 1mg - 2.5mg. Don't leave it to P.C.T, it's difficult then. You can use letro for P.C.T 0.25 - 0.5mg if your not using Nolva. Nolva interacts with Letro making it less effective. Some have recomended taking Nolva/Letro 2.5mg 12 hours later but it didn't work for me. Droped it and started l/dex with good results.

Read P.C.T threads

http://forums.steroid.com/pct-post-cycle-therapy/

[Schwarzenegger]

Nolva is bad to use with Deca for PCT.

Just wondering why nolvadex is bad to use with deca on PCT?

If its bad on PCT, does that mean its bad while on cycle?

[Halfcenturian]

Just wondering why nolvadex is bad to use with deca on PCT?

If its bad on PCT, does that mean its bad while on cycle?

ummmm hmmmm.

[hosam4ever]

its not bad with deca but it has no effect as the gyno caused from deca is not from aromtization of test 2 estrogen but due to the raise in progistron thats why nolva would be useless u can use b6 @ 2oo mg ed or caborgoline

[guest589745]

its not bad with deca but it has no effect as the gyno caused from deca is not from aromtization of test 2 estrogen but due to the raise in progistron thats why nolva would be useless u can use b6 @ 2oo mg ed or caborgoline

it also stimulates prolactin or somethign I beleive, slightly.

[rockhardman]

my next cycle is gonna be
week 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12
anadrol 50mg 50mg 50mg 50mg
sust 500mg 500 500 500 500 500 500 500 500 500 500 500
deca 400mg 400 400 400 400 400 400 400 400 400 400 400

i weight 198lb at 5'7'' so i think this is just perfect for me

[rockhardman]

damn i try to make it like a freakin chart n it didnt came out, Oh well!!

[Halfcenturian]

my next cycle is gonna be
week 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12
anadrol 50mg 50mg 50mg 50mg
sust 500mg 500 500 500 500 500 500 500 500 500 500 500
deca 400mg 400 400 400 400 400 400 400 400 400 400 400

i weight 198lb at 5'7'' so i think this is just perfect for me

IMO that's a damn good cycle. You might want to close out last 4 weeks with some Var or Winnie to tighten you up.

STOP Deca at week 10. Keep running Test 2 more weeks.

Add an AI like Adex or Aromasin from start to finish.

Add Proviron for dick use purposes. Keeps the ol' libido up.

What's your PCT plan?

[fLgAtOr]

Wow... Ten replies, most of which missed the point of the question.

Loss of sex drive on a test/deca cycle is NOT caused by being "shut down". Everyone is shut down...The loss of sex drive comes from OTHER FACTORS, like prolactin. Hence when people include caber, the sex drive issues disappear (Halfcenturian).

There is NO golden rule that says you have to have a higher amount of test to compensate for "shut down". This makes no sense as shut down is related to your own body's natural production of test, not exogenous sources.

Nolva bad for PCT????? Since when? Aromasin and Nolva work very well together. How would Deca interact with this????

[Halfcenturian]

Wow... Ten replies, most of which missed the point of the question.

Loss of sex drive on a test/deca cycle is NOT caused by being "shut down". Everyone is shut down...The loss of sex drive comes from OTHER FACTORS, like prolactin. Hence when people include caber, the sex drive issues disappear (Halfcenturian).

There is NO golden rule that says you have to have a higher amount of test to compensate for "shut down". This makes no sense as shut down is related to your own body's natural production of test, not exogenous sources.

Nolva bad for PCT????? Since when? Aromasin and Nolva work very well together. How would Deca interact with this????

The question was should I use equal or more Test than Deca, or not.
The answer is yes. The PCT,Gyno, Nolva was a high-jack, which was also answered.
Nolva is ineffective against gyno with DECA. NOLVA does not help prevent GYNO with DECA. (fLaTuLaToR).

[guest589745]

The question was should I use equal or more Test than Deca , or not.
The answer is yes.

Why ?

[fLgAtOr]

The question was should I use equal or more Test than Deca , or not.
The answer is yes. The PCT,Gyno, Nolva was a high-jack, which was also answered.
Nolva is ineffective against gyno with DECA. NOLVA does not help prevent GYNO with DECA. (fLaTuLaToR).

Hmm...(fLaTuLaToR)...Cute.

I put your name in () becuase you use Dostinex and it increases your sex drive. And my point was that high levels of deca (or tren ) decrease sex drive (even in the presense of exogenous test) becuase of prolactin issues...Not the amount of test. I was using you for an example, not "calling you out" on something...Or so I thought.

Again, tell me why you need more test than deca? I said no, and stated a reason.

You also stated that, "Nolva is bad to use with Deca for PCT". Why is this?

With all due respect, save the ****ing fart jokes please.

[Halfcenturian]

hosam4ever
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its not bad with deca but it has no effect as the gyno caused from deca is not from aromtization of test 2 estrogen but due to the raise in progistron thats why nolva would be useless u can use b6 @ 2oo mg ed or caborgoline

[Halfcenturian]

Why ?

Mainly Libido. Prevention of Deca dick. Where are you going with this, Skull?

No you don't HAVE to, but most people do.

That's the way I run it.And that's how I advise someone to run it...

I don't want to arm wrestle.

[guest589745]

Mainly Libido. Prevention of Deca dick. Where are you going with this, Skull?

No you don't HAVE to, but most people do.

That's the way I run it.And that's how I advise someone to run it...

I don't want to arm wrestle.

Ok.

[RA]

Mainly Libido. Prevention of Deca dick.
No you don't HAVE to, but most people do.

That's the way I run it.And that's how I advise someone to run it...

Ditto

[guest589745]

Running testosterone higher than nandrolone will not prevent "deca dick" (Nandrolone Dick would be more accurate), it doesn't work like that. "Most people" are misinformed, inexperienced and do no research of their own unfortunately.

If you experience sexual dysfunction, control prolactin/progesterone.

[Halfcenturian]

Hmm...(fLaTuLaToR)...Cute.

I put your name in () becuase you use Dostinex and it increases your sex drive. And my point was that high levels of deca (or tren ) decrease sex drive (even in the presense of exogenous test) becuase of prolactin issues...Not the amount of test. I was using you for an example, not "calling you out" on something...Or so I thought.

Again, tell me why you need more test than deca? I said no, and stated a reason.

You also stated that, "Nolva is bad to use with Deca for PCT". Why is this?

With all due respect, save the ****ing fart jokes please.

Nolva will not prevent Gyno from Deca because it's a nor-19 and the type of Gyno Deca causes is from an increase in Prolactin. Not estrogen. So you should run Proviron or Bromo or Caber and adex or aromasin . Nolva is the standard for every other aas that aromatize to estrogen. That's the schooling I was taught and confirmed by some of the big dogs.

Peace, bro.

[guest589745]

Nolva has a kind of pro progestinic property if I am not msitaken, I forget how exactly but I read that somewhere, pubmed I think.

[fLgAtOr]

Nolva will not prevent Gyno from Deca because it's a nor-19 and the type of Gyno Deca causes is from an increase in Prolactin. Not estrogen. So you should run Proviron or Bromo or Caber and adex or aromasin . Nolva is the standard for every other aas that aromatize to estrogen. That's the schooling I was taught and confirmed by some of the big dogs.

Peace, bro.

I agree. And I had to learn this the hard way...And this was still being taught just several years ago, when letro started becoming popular. It wasn't really my point though.

Schwarzenegger asked you and you never really answered. I wasn't coming after you, just trying to figure out why you said it. Hosam caught it, but only really told half the story...Like Skull said, I'm pretty sure Nolva acts directly on the Pgr to a small amount, aggravating things with 19-nors.

Nolva can be a HUGE benefit in PCT...In fact there's no reason why you shouldn't include a SERM. The interaction between Nolva and 19-nors (IN PCT) isn't a big concern becuase (1) the drug is declining anyways, and (2) you have aromasin.

Then there was someone saying his dose is based on his bodyweight...Which could be good advice, but he never said WHY. And, is this appropriate for the thread starter? Then frank is saying that loss of sexdrive is from shutdown, which is also not true..........There were just little bits of contradicting info (some of which was quite wrong).

See, the thing is, many people still get "deca dick" when running higher amounts of test than deca. Why is this??? Why do people that run huge amounts of test sometimes fell tired and lethargic? Because there are other factors at play. Not everyone responds well to high amounts of test, but yet responds well to other compounds (I can think of at least 5 on the board off the top of my head). If I'm running 800mg EW of deca, there is no way in hell I'm running a gram of test...Thats just MO, but the sides (for me) would suck ass.

Sir, I know you have a great deal of experience (more than me, without a doubt). I understand you went with the KISS approach (Keep It Simple Stupid). T500/D400 is a great cycle...and the advice is perfectly respectable. Given the tone of the gentleman's post, it sounds like he is looking for a first/second cycle anyways.

However, it doesn't change the FACT that nandrolone has ZERO effect on exogenous test. Like I said originally, any sides would be caused by other factors. This explains why caber increases sex drive. This explains why when running higher amounts of test than deca, people still suffer from libido issues. And this explains why you can run more deca than test and still want to hump anything that doesn't run away.

[eberasain]

i made the mistake of taking more a little more deca than test c and it messed with my libido... it even took a couple of weeks after i stopped deca.

[fLgAtOr]

i made the mistake of taking more a little more deca than test c and it messed with my libido... it even took a couple of weeks after i stopped deca.

What else were you running? AIs, Caber, SERMs, proviron ?

[eberasain]

What else were you running? AIs, Caber, SERMs, proviron?

nothing just test c and deca ... ???

[fLgAtOr]

nothing just test c and deca... ???

Read above.

[saturn08]

so if running a test-c and deca cycle would the use of a-dex throughout fight the progistron? or do you need to run proviron too?

[Halfcenturian]

so if running a test-c and deca cycle would the use of a-dex throughout fight the progistron? or do you need to run proviron too?

I am using both, just because I like that fact that proviron frees up, free test. AND keeps Mr. Willie on "Red Alert." But I'm an old man.

I'm at week 10 doing Test 750/ Deca 600. Willie has been in combat the entire time.
I also use Adex .25-.50 / EOD as an AI. And guess what...NO DECA DICK.