Winny

[achesr]

I am thinking of doin a cycle of winny and maybe some clen at the end of the cycle just to cut up. I have the mass so basically now just need to get more defined. HOw long should the cycle be, what dosage, how much cardio should be done while on cycle and what PCT should be used? I really appreciate any responses fellas.

[C_Bino]

Tell us about yourself first. Your stats: how long have you been training, how many cycles have you done and what did they consist of (compounds, doses and lengths run), height, weight bodyfat, age...that would be a start.
No one here is about to go and give you anabolic steroid advice when they have absolutely no information about you. And for you to take it would be fairly stupid imo.

[Alpha-Male]

dude, you don't need to do cardio on winny, it's a super-dooper fat-eliminator...

i'm kidding, but hey, someone at your gym probably told you that right? c'mon, be honest...

anyhow, yeah, winny only is not the best get up bro, so your lack of knowledge and effort to read stickies and profiles here first, is not gonna get you any straight answers...oh, and what the tittie master said too...now bino, is that guys and girls, or what? my titties are acting up, i think they need a good thrashing

[achesr]

Tell us about yourself first. Your stats: how long have you been training, how many cycles have you done and what did they consist of (compounds, doses and lengths run), height, weight bodyfat, age...that would be a start.
No one here is about to go and give you anabolic steroid advice when they have absolutely no information about you. And for you to take it would be fairly stupid imo.

I''ve been training about 4 years, have done one cycle of clen the doses were:
day 1: 40 mcg
day 2: 60 mcg
day 3: 80 mcg
day 4: 100 mcg
day 5: 100 mcg
day 6: 120 mcg
day 7: 140 mcg (went nuts at this dose lol)
day 8: 120 mcg
day 9: 120 mcg
day 10:120 mcg
day 11:120 mcg
day 12:100 mcg
day 13:80 mcg
day 14:60 mcg
day 15:40 mcg

Height: 5'9"
Weight: 185
Bodyfat: Around 10-12%
Age: 22, almost 23

SO what's your opinion? Thanks for your response bro.

[Jucinator2]

thats not a cycle thats clen. You need for a good first cycle something like 500 mgs of test cyp. a week divided into to shots a week and some deca 400mgs a week in two shots , put 1 cc of test and 1 cc of deca in the same shot , shot that on sunday and do the same thing again on wenesday. Do a 12 week cycle of deca and a 13 week cycle of test then use your clen and some novaldex for your pct to get your nuts back up and help keep gains.

[achesr]

the thing is im looking to get straight cut, i dont want any more mass. i am as massive as i want to get and if i take the deca and test im afraid to gain too much size, hence the reason i want to straight cut and take winny only...is it possible to take winny by itself? if not what's the best way to take it as a best cutting agent ? i appreciate responses.

[THE PUMP]

diet and cardio and hard training = cut

[longhorn814]

cutting comes down to diet and cardio..steroids do not really burn fat, they are used to preserve muscle on a calorie deficient. You can cut or bulk on any steroid, it all comes down to diet. Its not really recommended to take winny by itself, but a lot of people do. You'd be much better off with a test prop/winny cycle IMO

[achesr]

good stuff, i appreciate it fellas

[hugovsilva]

I've done eq/winny with much success, and I don't really believe that test is an absolute must in all cycles. But if I knew then what I know today I'd rather go with winny @ 50mg ed and something like 250-350 mg/week of test prop.

[achesr]

I've done eq/winny with much success, and I don't really believe that test is an absolute must in all cycles. But if I knew then what I know today I'd rather go with winny @ 50mg ed and something like 250-350 mg/week of test prop.

how exactly would you recommend doing this ? taking test first, then the winny, or taking them together? and for how long? thanks bro

[Bigmax]

Bro,quite honestly before you even look into your cycle Dial in your diet bro...i dont care what you take if the diet and cardio isnt on point you'll pissing in the wind...!00mgs of prop a day and 100mgs of winny splitting the dose at 50mgs every 9-10 hours is fine...I'm talking injectable winny by the way...But again diet a** cardio will be the key.

[Alpha-Male]

splitting the dose at 50mgs every 9-10 hours is fine

i knew i'd hear this sooner or later...so what's next? prop twice a day? not signaling anyone out here, and sorry to hijack (somewhat), but after having the whole prop ed or eod debate a thousand times this month alone, i called it...i knew that eventually, people were gonna start talking about how it's better to inject more and more with these fast acting compounds...dude, it's even mentioned that eod injects with winny are fine, i personally go orals, but still, at some point, you have to admit you're splitting hairs with this, right? i mean, winny injects every 9 hours? c'mon...really? wholeheartedly agree with the "diet is key" thing by the way...just had to comment on the other, sorry to butt in...

[achesr]

Bro,quite honestly before you even look into your cycle Dial in your diet bro...i dont care what you take if the diet and cardio isnt on point you'll pissing in the wind...!00mgs of prop a day and 100mgs of winny splitting the dose at 50mgs every 9-10 hours is fine...I'm talking injectable winny by the way...But again diet a** cardio will be the key.

I appreciate the response--my diet is very clean--protein high, carbs moderate, low fat and do around 30 minutes of cardio 5-6 days weekly. IMO this is enough, but let me know what you think if you think differently.

[Alpha-Male]

I appreciate the response--my diet is very clean--protein high, carbs moderate, low fat and do around 30 minutes of cardio 5-6 days weekly. IMO this is enough, but let me know what you think if you think differently.

go post your diet in the appropriate forum...actually, read the stickies first, see if yours is anywhere close to what is there, and then post. you'll be suprised i'm sure...there are some good bros in there that will help you iron out a good plan, just like here...good luck

[testosterona]

i knew i'd hear this sooner or later...so what's next? prop twice a day? not signaling anyone out here, and sorry to hijack (somewhat), but after having the whole prop ed or eod debate a thousand times this month alone, i called it...i knew that eventually, people were gonna start talking about how it's better to inject more and more with these fast acting compounds...dude, it's even mentioned that eod injects with winny are fine, i personally go orals, but still, at some point, you have to admit you're splitting hairs with this, right? i mean, winny injects every 9 hours? c'mon...really? wholeheartedly agree with the "diet is key" thing by the way...just had to comment on the other, sorry to butt in...

i agree, i hate that sh@t. not to singel out BM, but all that talk about tren ace "needs to be shot ed, so does prop, and test susp "needs" to be shot 3x's ed" it's all parrot talk bull shiit, that's all. only reason someone should suggest the inj ttiming is from THERE EXPERIENCE and if they;ve done it both ways. anywhoooo you can do winny only. if you are serious about not putting on size, drop the prop. just realize that you may have a couple issues w/ suppressed test levels in you body such as libido and energy loss. you will gain some wieght w/ prop, and i do encourage you include it, but if not do about 50mgs of winny ed....once a day will suffice. good luck

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[achesr]

ok so what is the disadvantage of doing winny by itself as opposed to winny AND test prop ? also, if i do winny by itself how long of a cycle should it be...4 or 6 weeks ?

[hugovsilva]

ok so what is the disadvantage of doing winny by itself as opposed to winny AND test prop ? also, if i do winny by itself how long of a cycle should it be...4 or 6 weeks ?

Bro,

Testosterona already answered your question. Making it short, winstrol will supress your natural test production and you will eventually find yourself with too low test level which can induce loss of libido, energy, etc...
For me winstrol should be run at least 6 weeks, maybe 8 weeks if injectable.

[donberry427]

Ok so your not trying to gain anymore mass at 185lbs? hmmm You may be shorter than me but I still dont understand that, and im 6'5 235... Which kindof evens out to what size you are. But w/e its your decision.


If you really want to burn fat go with ephedrine. Its alot safer than clen and the Sides are gone within hours compared to being there ED. I've personally been on Ephed b4 and basically this is what i did...


One pill (20mg?) b4 I went running. When I first started off my cardio wasnt that great, I could only run like 3 miles tops and I was done. Then after like 1 1/2 weeks It really started to kick in. I was eating healthy with alot of protien but still had soda, beer, chips here and there etc...(nothing like my diet now which is much more refined) But anyway I was still burning fat like crazy and because the Ephedrine opens up your lungs (so they can accept more O2) I was able to run til my legs gave out (one day I ran 10 miles...my calfs where dead). I ended up sheding like 18 pounds in 3 or so weeks... Just my 2 cents Go with Ephedrine then if that doesnt work resort to clen/t3 or something like that

[achesr]

i appreciate the responses fellas...donberry your ideas are good but the problem is i already did clen and am in between cycles so i'm probably just going to finish out the full 6 weeks ... yeah i dont want to gain much more mass cuz at my height at 185 i look stocky and the way i build muscle is very fast, but it is bulky muscle that is thick, which is why im trying to cut up instead of gain more muscle and bulk. so, im thinking if i put on more weight (muscle weight of course) i will look even more bulky and not lean (which is what the ladies like!! )...again, thanks for everyone's responses i think i got all my questions answered which is always appreciated

[donberry427]

OK. No problem, I was sharing my experience.