serious clomid question

[axiomatic6]

Hey guys, i have been on HRT to 5 years. i read an article about clomid getting your pituatary back to normal, it was a success but this guys sysytem was suppressed for several months, not years.

what do you think my chances are of using clomid to see if i can get my own T back? there was never anything wrong with me, what happened was 5 years ago i knew nothing about steroids and after a cycle it never came back, the Dr. gave me 1 shot of HCG, but once it wore of my test declined again. so he put me on HRT ever since.

DOES CLOMID CAUSE WATER RETENTION???

[jdavis2007]

Here's what I would do if I was completely shutdown for quite some time:

1) Wks 1-4 .5mg/d letro
2) Wks 5-8 .25mg/d letro
3) Wks 3-4 1000iu HCG EOD (2000 iu on your last shot)
4) Wks 3-6 40mg/d Nolvadex--Wks 7-12 20mg/d Nolvadex
5) Wk 4 (300mg/d) Clomid---Wk 5 (200mg/d) Clomid--Wks 6-10 (100mg/d) Clomid--Wks 11-12 50mg/d Clomid
6) Wks 3-4 1000 iu Vitamin E (blended tocopherols...NOW foods carries a product called E-400 which has blended version...more effective than regular Vitamin E)
7) Wks 1-6 25mg/d Proviron (I'm including this, even though it's debatable if it is suppressive, because when a man has an orgasm the body automatically boosts testosterone to facillitate more sperm cells producing...simply put...yo u need to orgasm during this ordeal. It will mechanically stimulate testosterone production)
8) ZMA Wks 1-8 I would take 2 doses a day. Once before working out and once before bed
9) ZMA Wks 9-53 One dose before bed should suffice in keeping testosterone levels up.
10) Tribullis (20% protodioscin-6g/d with meals) Wks 1-2/5-6/9-10/13-14 (Basically 2 wks on/2 wks off)
11) Vitamin C-2g/d Wks 1-53

You could throw some Avena sativa in there to free up some more testosterone after wk 8 (which is when you end proviron use) but that's about as extensive as I would make it. Get your sperm count and test measured Wk 4,8 and 12 to see if there is any measurable progress going on down there. Hope this helps. Oh yeah...don't do too much volume when lifting and get plenty of sleep as both of these aspects of your life can affect testosterone a lot. Good luck.

[nephilim666]

... ^ ... i wud just talk to ur doctor.. staying on hrt is probably the better of the two ideas..

[axiomatic6]

she is clueless about steroids, she wont even give me HCG once in a while to keep testicluar volume.

the reason i hate HRT is b/c i retain so much water in my face, i know you guys say its impossible, but even on 100mg test E a week, i look like i am on a full blown cycle.

i even retain water from i packet of androgel a day, which is test prop, although not as bad as test e.

[nephilim666]

read pm.

[axiomatic6]

ok thanks, im not sure what to do really at this point. can nolvadex be used in place of clomid?