hypothetically speaking

[deaddickdaddy]

In this hypothetical example, a 45 year old male who has been lifting off and on since his high school years aquires some sust 250. His first week in this foreign land he does 1000mg folowed by 1000mg the following week. He arrives back home with 13 amps remaining. He would like use the remaining 13 amps in th best way since he may not get back there for 6 months.

Would it be better to:
A) do 2 amps per week for 6.5 weeks
OR
B) do 1 amp per week for the 13 weeks

[RobbieG]

2 amps per week is better than 1 amp per week due to the prop in it.

besides, you can get sust anywere.

[nephilim666]

i 2nd that, but im a little lost in this, you did 1000mg for 2 weeks? if so do the 2 amps for however long u cna use rthem for, goiod luck bro ( <-- bad grammar LOL )

[zipster_dude]

Damn brother, no cycle in a while, been lifting on and off since high school, aquires sustanon , and shoots 2000MG's the first two weeks, has 16 amps left (8 week supply at 500MG per week).

I am going to leave this one alone as I do not want to a new member. Welcome to the board and I would suggest a little reading before you start jabbing.

[nephilim666]

i dont see too much wrong with what he did, but yea do 2 amps a week for however long theyl last for. i mean yea he cuda used 500 instead of 1000 but it aint guna make a huge diff.

[BlInDsIdE]

wooooooow people need 2 not give advice when they don't know what they're tlaking about

[perfectbeast2001]

seems like a very badly planned cycle to me...
read the "things to consider" FAQ in my sig.

[BlInDsIdE]

sust needs to be shot AT least EOD in order to get anything out of prop and even so y would u use 1gram for the first 2 wks- my advice is to stop ur cycle now read up then do one when u know what ur doing

[ILuvTestEn]

sust needs to be shot AT least EOD in order to get anything out of prop and even so y would u use 1gram for the first 2 wks- my advice is to stop ur cycle now read up then do one when u know what ur doing

I agree

[zipster_dude]

The dosing is out of line for beginner. I don't care about the fact that the dose is not going to cause noticeable difference, however, I do care about the fact that people inject substances into their body without proper knowledge as to how or what the compound is supposed to do, and then ask for advice as to how and what the procedures are from there.

Anyways, since this is a hypothetical question, this guy did not do it and I was speaking as to his hypothetical friend. So my advice to this friend would be to research, get diet and training into proper form, reach natural potential from dedicated training, (not on and off) and put together a great cycle with proper pct.

[plzr8]

sust needs to be shot AT least EOD in order to get anything out of prop and even so y would u use 1gram for the first 2 wks- my advice is to stop ur cycle now read up then do one when u know what ur doing

agree 100%

[mkrulic]

^^^
yea timing of when to ask q's could have been better.

I keep hearing sust should be shot eod because of the prop. prop only makes about 12% of the blend. the info that I have says that almost 50% of the mix is short chain. this is a better reason to shoot eod.

that being said I've known many who have shot 2 times a week w/o problem

[BlInDsIdE]

which defeats the whole purpose of the prop- if ur not going to shoot at least eod then y not just use a long ester cause ur not oging to get anything out of the prop all u'll do is b fing with ur blood levels.

[mkrulic]

which defeats the whole purpose of the prop- if ur not going to shoot at least eod then y not just use a long ester cause ur not oging to get anything out of the prop all u'll do is b fing with ur blood levels.

what? short chain fast acting, long chain slower release. if there is prop (and btw tpp and t iso are also short chain) then the test will kick in quicker. if it has enan and deconate then it will have the slower release propeerty.

[BlInDsIdE]

what? short chain fast acting, long chain slower release. if there is prop (and btw tpp and t iso are also short chain) then the test will kick in quicker. if it has enan and deconate then it will have the slower release propeerty.

this post was taken from another member. if u use sust then u should b using it for the prop in it otherwise ur a newb who couldn't get straight test e or c. now if u were 2 use the prop ester y would u not want to get the most out of it. this post was taken from another member and explains the unstable blood levels when shooting eod so imagine what 2x a wk is like....



As you can see by the numbers, the quickest way to get the sust levels in your blood stream at a constant maximum level is to shoot ed.
By the middle of week 1, your there, except for a few milligrams.


On a 3cc case, each hash mark equals 25mgs of sust
So to shoot
200mgs would be 8 hash marks or a little over 3/4 of a ml
150mgs would be 8 hash marks or a little over 1/2 of a ml
100mgs would be 4 hash marks or a little under 1/2 of a ml


Also to do this you will need a sterile 40 or 50 ml empty vial to switch all the sust amps into.
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days.. amount taken.......the amount in the blood stream
1 ..............200mgs ................190mgs
2 ..............200 .......................351
3 ..............200 .......................487
4 ..............150 .......................555
5 ..............150 .......................612
6 ..............100 .......................613
7 ..............100 .......................614
Week 2
8 ..............100 .......................615
9 ..............100 .......................616
10.............100 .......................616
11.............100 .......................617
12.............100 .......................617
13.............100 .......................617
14.............100 .......................618
Week 3
15............100 .......................618
16............100 .......................618
17............100 .......................618
18............100 .......................618
19............100 .......................618
20............100 .......................619
21............100 .......................619
Week 4
22............100 .......................619
23............100 .......................619
24............100 .......................619
25............100 .......................619
26............100 .......................619
27............100 .......................619
28............100 .......................619
Week 5
29...,........100 .......................619
30............100 .......................619
31............100 .......................619
32............100 .......................619
33............100 .......................619
34............100 .......................619
35............100 .......................619
Week 6
36............100 .......................619
37............100 .......................619
38............100 .......................619
39............100 .......................619
40............100 .......................619
41............100 .......................619
42............100 .......................619
Week 7
43............100 .......................619
44............100 .......................619
45............100 .......................619
46............100 .......................619
47............100 .......................619
48............100 .......................619
49............100 .......................619
Week 8
50............100 .......................619
51............100 .......................619
52............100 .......................619
53............100 .......................619
54............100 .......................619
55............100 .......................619
56............100 .......................619


Also you can see by the numbers...
Your shooting 700mgs a week, with the exception of the 1st week,
That your only really doing 619mgs.

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Question:




So we all have heard that more even T levels (ED injections) means less side effects, right? Why is that? Can someone briefly expand on this idea? What are some other reasons for keeping our T levels as even as possible? Looking for input here to put a reason behind the technique...*




as posted by 46and2aheadofme (the same who made the graph) Thanks 46




Answer:




Ok lets see if we can put this into perspective... I've asked some of who I feel are the most knowledgeable guys on these boards about this to see if they agree and yes, so far everyone seems to be on the same page

The best way to put it is as Andy said .. I'm paraphrasing here


Many, guys say that dbol is many times more effective when taken throughout the day, Bill Roberts included.
There seem to be less sides and more gains as opposed to just taking it 1 or 2 times daily....

The only difference between taking it 1 to 2 times a day and throughout the day is the stability in the blood .

The higher injection frequency = stable blood levels = better gains and or less sides is simply an extension of this analogy.

There's no doubt that people gain from injecting sustanon 1x/week... But, at least in theory, it would be better if split up..
The magnitude of the difference in blood levels increases with dose..
So the need to split up the injections increases with the dose and may not be that big of a deal on small cycles.



Here is the normal 3 times a week chart




*Monday, Wednesday, Friday shots
It never gets stable, just Here is Monday, Wednesday, Friday shots
It never gets stable, just develops a pattern after week 7


1 ...250 .......................238
2 ...0 ..........................201
3 ...250 .......................409
4 ...0 ..........................346
5 ...250 .......................532
6 ...0 ..........................451
7 ...0 ..........................384
Week 2
8 ...250 .......................566
9 ...0 ..........................480
10...250 .......................646
11...0 ..........................547
12...250 .......................703
13...0 ..........................595
14...0 ..........................507
Week 3
15...250 .......................672
16...0 ..........................569
17...250 .......................722
18...0 ..........................611
19...250 .......................758
20...0 ..........................642
21...0 ..........................547
Week 4
22...250 .......................706
23...0 ..........................598
24...250 .......................747
25...0 ..........................632
26...250 .......................776
27...0 ..........................657
28...0 ..........................560
Week 5
29...250 .......................717
30...0 ..........................607
31...250 .......................755
32...0 ..........................639
33...250 .......................782
34...0 ..........................662
35...0 ..........................564
Week 6
36...250 .......................721
37...0 ..........................610
38...250 .......................757
39...0 ..........................641
40...250 .......................784
41...0 ..........................663
42...0 ..........................656
Week 7
43...250 .......................722
44...0 ..........................611
45...250 .......................758
46...0 ..........................642
47...250 .......................784
48...0 ..........................664
49...250 .......................566
Week 8
50...250 .......................722
51...0 ..........................611
52...250 .......................758
53...0 ..........................642
54...250 .......................784
55...0 ..........................664
56...0...........................566

[mkrulic]

"if u use sust then u should b using it for the prop in it otherwise ur a newb who couldn't get straight test e or c."
not true. test deconate is a just as important as the prop. the sust I usually run has no prop. and throwing a long chain esterd test in there should aid to cancelling out the fluxuations.
the benifit of running sust is that it is fast acting and long acting.
"now if u were 2 use the prop ester y would u not want to get the most out of it."
adding test e will not cancel the gains from the prop.