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    Constructive criticism wanted...

    First cycle. Age 27, 187lbs, 10-12%. I'm looking for a lean 15-20lb jump and a reduction in bodyfat, with respect to endurance for rugby season. I don't know if I can attain those goals in one cycle but here goes:

    Wk 1-12 test e 500mg/wk
    Wk 1-12 Eq 400mg/wk
    Wk 1-12 Arimidex .5mg/ed

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    Wk 1-6 Nolva 20mg/ed
    Not sure about HCG, Vit E, or Aromasin.

    Thanks for your time fellas.

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    You are on the right track but for your first cycle I would drop the Eq and just stick with the Test E

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    why is that

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    Because on your first cycle you will want to know how you react from a side effects perspective. If you have two or more compounds in the mix you wont know which one is causing the problem. For example I react badly to Dbol (I hate that shit) now if I had added that into my first cycle I would not have know if it was Dbol or the Test that made me feel so bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cheatinistryin
    First cycle. Age 27, 187lbs, 10-12%. I'm looking for a lean 15-20lb jump and a reduction in bodyfat, with respect to endurance for rugby season. I don't know if I can attain those goals in one cycle but here goes:

    Wk 1-12 test e 500mg/wk
    Wk 1-12 Eq 400mg/wk
    Wk 1-12 Arimidex .5mg/ed

    PCT
    Wk 1-6 Nolva 20mg/ed
    Not sure about HCG, Vit E, or Aromasin.

    Thanks for your time fellas.
    I would agree with Kale, just go with the test e and drop the EQ, its useless anyway at that dose, diet and training coupled with the test cycle will produce your desired goals.

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    The test should help with your recovery so go ahead and do cardio also since you want to reduce bodyfat and be in shape for rugby.

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    Aye, drop the eq and good to go.

    I'd get hcg on hand just in case. You probably won't need it at these dosages/duration, but you've got it in case then. Trust me there's nothing worse than detecting a need for an auxiliary when you haven't got it on hand.

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    The cycle looks fine to me as/is. The PCT isn't too hot.

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    agree with majority. I would drop the EQ (which at that dose will do next to nothing) and run the test E.
    PCT needs work. I would run at least an AI and SERM for 30-45 days. My choices would be arimidex .5 ED and nolva 20mg ED.

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    i am a fan of aromasin @ 25 mg ed for pct

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    yup i would drop the Eq brother. if anything try some EPO or Anadrol -50 with the test e

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    Go to the PCT section and use Anthony Robert's PCT, its all planned out for you.
    And if you really want to use the EQ, I suggest making it 500mg.

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    EPO are you crazy? Why would he want to do that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by perfectbeast2001
    EPO are you crazy? Why would he want to do that?
    What is EPO?

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    You could end the cycle on a mild oral or Test Prop. This way your dont have to wait 14-16 days after your final shot until PCT and watch the lbs drop and strength diminish. Tbol would be good.

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    think A-50's with the test may be a bit aggresive for first time. Agree with high anabolic with test like tbol mentioned. Besides if you do it right you'll probably endevour again, and have the opportunity to experiment with different compound combinations and you'll understand your body better each time. Remember if you gain weight rapidly you may also come into sides not many mention (depending on your body) such as stretch marks.

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    thanks for the input guys. swifto, will my gains be diminished if i follow a proper PCT at the right time? i.e. 2 weeks after last inj.

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    swifto

    what should i run tbol at. remember it's my first cycle would 20-30 mg ED be enough? would i start my PCT the next day after last day on tbol (which would be about 2 weeks after my last inj.)? thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SVTMuscle
    What is EPO?
    Erythropoietin

    it is a compound used by endurance athletes to increase RBC allowing the blood to carry more oxygen. Not useful in BB and possibly quite dangerous considering that most (if not all) AS can significantly raise RBC anyway. Certainly not a drug for first timers. I cant see it having any benefit unless you were an elite level cyclist/marathon runner ect....

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    Quote Originally Posted by cheatinistryin
    what should i run tbol at. remember it's my first cycle would 20-30 mg ED be enough? would i start my PCT the next day after last day on tbol (which would be about 2 weeks after my last inj.)? thanks.
    Start the cycle with Tbol at 40mg/ED for the first 4-5 weeks. Adjust the dose accordingly, comparing gains/sides. Then drop it and run the Test Enan alone.

    4, 5 or 6 weeks from the end of your cycle, use it again at a similar dose. Perahps 10mg/ED higher. Gains/sides should determine your dose.

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    BW should be done around 1 week proir to ending the cycle with Tbol. Check your liver values and whatever you feel needed. Then go form there.

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