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[Budk024]

Hi ive been on this site for quite some time but i finally decided to go through with the registration so I can post some questions of my own. First off I am almost 21 years old, which i know is pretty young, i am just under 6" and am currently about 172 pounds with about 6.5% body fat. I have been on one 12 week cycle which consisted of a test-e and this was about a year ago. I saw some good results but did not put on the weight and size i had been hoping for. I have a good diet which consists of healthy high protein foods. I eat on average about six meals a day and included in that is 3 shakes. I have done lots and lots of research as far as diets and exercise go and have developed a fairly decent routine. I work out usually 5 days a week and rotate the week with a couple days rest. My question is if what would be a good recommended cycle for someone my size, age, and experience. I have some ideas myself but I would still like to hear from others who obviously have more experience and knowledge.

[Kale]

Mate if you didnt grow on that cycle then your Diet is deficient and from what you describe it most certainly is. This is a bulking Diet, how does this compare with what you did ?

Meal 1: Pro/Carb

8 Egg Whites, 1 Scoop Of Whey Protein, 1 cup oatmeal

50g protein / 54g carbs / 5g fat



Meal 2: Pro/Fat

Lean Ground Beef, ¼ cup swiss cheese, green veggies

55g protein / 2g carbs / 20g fat



Meal 3: Pro/Carb

Chicken Breast, 1 and a half cup Brown Rice

55g protein / 64g carbs / 3g Fat
**Disclaimer: Meal 3 can be a pro/fat meal if you are ultra sensitive to carb intake.


Meal 4: Pro/Fat

2 Cans of Tuna, 1 Tbsp Full Fat Mayonnaise, Veggies

60g protein / 2g carbs / 13g Fat



Workout


Meal 5: PWO Nutrition

2 Scoops Whey Protein / 80g of Dextrose

40g protein / 80g carbs / 0g fat



Meal 6: PPWO

Boneless Skinless Chicken Breast, ½ cup Brown Rice (Measured Uncooked)

50g protein / 70g carbs / 3g fat



Meal 7: Pro/Fat

Lean Protein of your choice, 2 Tbsp Natural Peanut Butter
50g protein / 5g carbs / 18g fat



Meal 8: Before Bed

3 Scoops of Whey Protein, 1.5 Tbsp. Flax Seed Oil

60g protein / 3g carbs / 21g Fat


That turns into approximately 420 grams protein, 250 grams Carbs, and 83 grams of fat. This is roughly 3500 calories

[Budk024]

My meals are very similar except I am allergic to tuna so I eat alot more chicken breast. Also I did see alot of improvement i weighed 148 pounds just before starting my first cycle so did put on some weight I just feel that I need something stronger. And i was only taking 300mg of test-e

[Growingpains]

172 and cycling seems a bit light to be cycling....

But,

I would recommend
Test E 500mgs/week 1-12
dbol -1-5 40mgs/week
Arimidex .25mls/day

Standard PCT.

You are going to hear it more than once, however, that you CAN gain way more with diet and heavy compound movement training.

[hardcorpcomp]

Plain old test on it's own or paired with an anabolic will do. For some one your size it shouldn't be more then 500mg of test with maybe 300-400 deca or eq if you want. Ran for 10-12 weeks and you should be able to gain 15-20 pounds of mass. If you fin you don't respond to this amount, which you should, you can add an oral for the first 4 weeks of your next cycle. Like maybe 30-50 dbol with the test again at a higher level. There should be a progression of cycles that happens.

1 Start out with test
2 add in deca or eq
3 work your way into including orals like dbol
4 start upping your dosages
5 use some strong androgens like tren, anadrol
6 start adding in peptides
7 up the dosages some more

By number 4 you should have a really good idea what it takes for you to grow.

[longhorn814]

why dont you post what your typical daily diet looks like first...i think youre too small and young to be cycling and the reason you didnt see the gains you were looking for is b/c your diet needs improvement. If you cant gain naturally, you wont gain from steroids either!! Read this

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=113010

[Carlos_E]

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[gr8gear]

6 meals a day is good provided you are eating 6 meals a day! Protein shakes alone are not considered a meal! Seriously! Repace those shakes with a turkey or chicken sandwich, or something of that nature, and you will start putting on size.

Once you get your diet in check, you will start to see the needle of the scale climb (I PROMISE!) Once you start to plateau after a natural bulk, then hit up the cycle. You will be much happier with the results, and you will keep more of them (provided you follow a strict pct)

Good luck bro!

[Budk024]

Ive been thinking alot and i think im gonna try to go six months or so of solid training and try a new diet. The hardest part for me is that i work construction so i sometimes i cant take a break from work in order to eat. If anyone has sugestions they would be greatly appreciated and thanks for all the advice so far.

[Halfcenturian]

Ive been thinking alot and i think im gonna try to go six months or so of solid training and try a new diet. The hardest part for me is that i work construction so i sometimes i cant take a break from work in order to eat. If anyone has sugestions they would be greatly appreciated and thanks for all the advice so far.

It's best to eat every 2-3 hours. Smaller meals with lots of protein. You could fit 3/4 RB or turkey sandwiches in a small cooler. Some rice.Throw some raw broccoli, an apple, and a good protein candy bar, and water. Lots of water.
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Obviously you want to eat a BIG breakfast and dinner after work. And a final "dinner" before bed.
Lift hard and heavy. Get in 8 hours of sleep. In two years you should be ready to run a cycle.
Good luck, bro.