Oral Tbol... 3 week update!!!

[notanormalgent]

Hey bro, I'd recommend getting off the letro if you've got the gyno under control. Letro is really harsh stuff and like you said can dry out your joints. If anything, at least take a week off and then switch to Arimadex.

Gent

[reppedout1]

i don't see a problem,u could do 150mg eod

[Mrbaseball]

Im 4 weeks in to a tbol only cycle and have seen some decent gains. Im running 50mg ed. Not much for sides, a few headaches here and there, alot of gas tho and some back pumps. I started at 190 and im wei***ng 198 now. Strength gains have been good and the increased vascularity is awesome. Sounds like its working great for you, good luck with it

[Billytk03z]

i don't see a problem,u could do 150mg eod

Bro, so 150mg prop eod or how bout 100ed?

Also I was talking with my girl this morning and she said that the reason why I could be gaining rapid weight is because prior to starting AAS she belives that I may have been under eating to much for my size and weight so that I could stay lean... now she is thinking (and so am I) that my body is just going crazy with all these extra calroies with the AAS.....

[Billytk03z]

Hey bro, I'd recommend getting off the letro if you've got the gyno under control. Letro is really harsh stuff and like you said can dry out your joints. If anything, at least take a week off and then switch to Arimadex.

Gent

Bro, I agree... although my gyno isnt completely gone yet.. my sexdrive is nonexistant and my joints are killing me like a mofo (especially my elbows).. my joints are preventing me from going heavier at the moment... Im stopping letro today and will use 20mg of aromasin or .5mg adex ed for the remainder of my cycle to get some estro in me...

[reppedout1]

what does your prior cycle doses look like if you've ran quite a few tou could do 100 mg ed if you're relatively new like i am i would do 150 mg eod,that is what i am going to do.people say shoot prop ed but i believe prop eod is fine

[dogfight]

hey bro good work!!! fast question did you get the same sense of well being from the tbol as you did the dbol ( or have you taken any other aas)?

[unoigo]

Bro, so 150mg prop eod or how bout 100ed?

Also I was talking with my girl this morning and she said that the reason why I could be gaining rapid weight is because prior to starting AAS she belives that I may have been under eating to much for my size and weight so that I could stay lean... now she is thinking (and so am I) that my body is just going crazy with all these extra calroies with the AAS.....

That could be it. Here's an interesting post from Muscular Development - posted by Warrior....

Priming 101 - Preparing for an AAS Growth Spurt

Frequently people research how to better layout an AAS cycle, as well as proper post cycle therapy for making the transition back to natural. Unfortunately, many neglect another component for a successful AAS cycle - maximizing the time spent on - pre cycle therapy, better know as Priming.

What is priming?

Priming is a prepatory method used to better prepare the body before starting an AAS cycle. The goal of priming is to make the system very sensitive to a flood of androgens, food and intense training. Most advanced bodybuilders (especially those that compete) know how responsive the body can be right after leaning up - such as the growth spurts that are frequently experienced after a competition... with or without AAS.

If done correctly, priming will surprise you by very quick and dramatic results. In my opinion, priming should be done before every cycle - no matter the athlete's previous cycle experience. Because of the quicker results, cycle duration could also be cut back to make coming off and restoring proper HPTA function easier. The basic principle here is to create an environment where you body is very responsive to increased calories and your mind feels pent up and ready to move heavy weights.

How should you prime?

Priming involves the correct dietary and training techniques that get you to drop fat but no muscle. Basically, you diet down slow enough to simply lose some fat - no muscle should be lost. The training should not be so intense that you risk overtraining; in fact, a general maintenance routine would be best in most cases. The diet should allow your body to become sensitive to carbohydrates and other macronutrients. Generally, a cyclic ketogenic diet (CKD) works wonders - staying low carb for 3-4 days maximum, then carbing up. Again, the goal is to lean up but preserve current LBM.

Here is an example split that I have used for successful priming:

Day 1: Moderate Carb/Cardio
Day 2: Low Carb/Upperbody Supersets
Day 3: Low Carb/Lowerbody Supersets
Day 4: Low Carb/Cardio
Day 5: Low Carb/Full Body Workout (begin carb load after evening training)
Day 6: Carb Load/No training
Day 7: Moderate Carb/Power Training (Squat/Deads/Bench)
Repeat

How much cardio you do and how low you take your calories, is determined by your LBM and what you have learned about your metabolism and personal limitations.

The last 4-5 days before the cycle starts should be low carb. On the day you carb up - you should begin the cycle. Testosterone and most of it's popular deriatives will make this carb load very effective - and glycogen supercompensation should occur very quickly... especially if you use short esters or frontload longer esters - to get blood levels up quickly. After this point your body will remain very responsive to the cycle and you should begin training hard - drop sets, rest-pause... go intense! You should feel ready for it. As always - keep a training log to maximize the growth window.

How long should the priming period last?

Proper priming should last about 6-8 weeks precycle. If done correctly and long enough, your body will be very responsive - you should feel physically pent up and ready from the priming period - you should be mentally and physically prepared to move some heavy weights and put in 100% effort in the gym.

Hope this helps explain the priming process... and I hope to see people taking advantage of this at MD...

[Billytk03z]

hey bro good work!!! fast question did you get the same sense of well being from the tbol as you did the dbol ( or have you taken any other aas)?

This is the first aas cycle ive done..... never used tbol before.....