Quick cycle for holiday, what do you think?

[nathanlgd]

Quick overview of my training and cycling experience:-
I've been lifting for 4 years now, 1 years steady and the last 3 years hardcore 4 times a week.
I've done 2 cycles before with proper PCT, diet, cycle length and off period. First cycle was Test Enth alone, the second was D-bol, Test Enth and clen (during PCT). Had decent gains from both.
I'm currently 180lb @ 5'10'' with the lowest body fat percentage that I've ever had - probably around 12-14%. A year ago I was 205lb but with more bf - I'm currently as strong at 180lb as I was at 205lb.
With the loss of a little more bf and the gain of a little more lean mass I will be around my ultimate goal area.

I'm going on holiday in about 4 months and I was thinking of doing a small cycle to stick me a little lean mass on and drop some more bf. Sort of stay about the weight I am but replace some of my bf with lean mass.

I don't want to do a full on cycle, just something small and short just to give me a good look for the holiday.

I have some d-bol left over from my last cycle - 40 tabs. This would allow me to do 10 days at a low dose of 20mg ed. Then I was going to switch over to winny for another 2 maybe 3 weeks to dry me out and solidify the gains and then onto a couple of weeks of PCT with clen to help hold onto the gains and lose a little bf. Maybe just 2 weeks of PCT would surfice for this small, low dose cycle?

I don't want to put any bf on during this cycle if possible so I was going to do cardio throughout, keep my diet nice and clean and up the protein intake whilst trying to keep the fat and carbs relatively low. So I won't be going on a bulking diet.

My questions are:-
How would I dose the winny? I've never used winny before.
Considering my goal (just to perk up a little for holiday) and current stats is this cycle a good idea? or would you dose differently or not bother altogether?
Any other suggestions as to how I could achieve my goals without running a full on cycle would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks

[advanced-stealth]

50mgs of test propionate every day with cardio and diet

Thanks,
Advanced-Stealth

[nathanlgd]

That was my original thought/idea - Test prop and tren but moneys a little tight, I don't want to do a proper cycle and I'd like to avoid injections this time around.

There was a well astablished member on here that knew his stuff and was in great shape that ran a low dose d-bol only cycle and made nice, steady gains just to prove a point so I know the cycle I suggested above should result in half decent gains and point me in the direction of my goal. I just wanted to run it past you guys to see if any of the more experienced and clued up members could give me any advice.

Thanks for the reply none the less.

[nathanlgd]

Another thing I wanna no is should I run nolva through the cycle and if so how should I dose it? with my previous cycles I've run nolva 20mg ed and had no problems. Will nolva hinder my gains?

[Booz]

there wont be much "perk" imo the winny will supress your natty test somewhat which may ruin the holiday.......................

[nathanlgd]

Hm, ok. I've never used winny before - I always had the impression it was pretty light. What woud you suggest? just d-bol and clen? with a little pct. obvously I'd run a little more d-bol for sligtly longer if that was the only thing I'm going to use. Maybe 25-30mg ed for 3/4 weeks plus clen and PCT

[2.minutes]

Quick overview of my training and cycling experience:-
I've been lifting for 4 years now, 1 years steady and the last 3 years hardcore 4 times a week.
I've done 2 cycles before with proper PCT, diet, cycle length and off period. First cycle was Test Enth alone, the second was D-bol, Test Enth and clen (during PCT). Had decent gains from both.
I'm currently 180lb @ 5'10'' with the lowest body fat percentage that I've ever had - probably around 12-14%. A year ago I was 205lb but with more bf - I'm currently as strong at 180lb as I was at 205lb.
With the loss of a little more bf and the gain of a little more lean mass I will be around my ultimate goal area.

I'm going on holiday in about 4 months and I was thinking of doing a small cycle to stick me a little lean mass on and drop some more bf. Sort of stay about the weight I am but replace some of my bf with lean mass.

I don't want to do a full on cycle, just something small and short just to give me a good look for the holiday.

I have some d-bol left over from my last cycle - 40 tabs. This would allow me to do 10 days at a low dose of 20mg ed. Then I was going to switch over to winny for another 2 maybe 3 weeks to dry me out and solidify the gains and then onto a couple of weeks of PCT with clen to help hold onto the gains and lose a little bf. Maybe just 2 weeks of PCT would surfice for this small, low dose cycle?
I don't want to put any bf on during this cycle if possible so I was going to do cardio throughout, keep my diet nice and clean and up the protein intake whilst trying to keep the fat and carbs relatively low. So I won't be going on a bulking diet.

My questions are:-
How would I dose the winny? I've never used winny before.
Considering my goal (just to perk up a little for holiday) and current stats is this cycle a good idea? or would you dose differently or not bother altogether?
Any other suggestions as to how I could achieve my goals without running a full on cycle would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks

10 days of d-bol at 20mg is a waste IMO. bro i think u best to wait after the holiday when u have more gear and more time.

[c8rsa]

If you want to do d-bol as you stated, Could do it at 10mg a day for about 8 weeks.(depending when your hols are) Have read that you get no sides or bloat as dose is so low.

[nathanlgd]

My hols are in about 5 months so I have plenty of time to sort my-self out. I'lm gunna hit the gym hard with cardio and lifting, I just want something to give me a little insentive and help along the way. My goals are to drop a little more bf via cardio, diet and clen and stick on a few lb's of lean mass during. This is where the short, low dose light cycle comes in. I have a little d-bol left thats why I would like to use this particular drug - plus I've read good things about low dose d-bol only cycles giving abit of shape and size.
I thought of using winny because I know this is a cutting drug and will help with water retention (if there is any) and lean me out a little.

[samcam]

Why not just bust your ass with your diet and cardio and get down to the single digits in bf? Then you can really see how much muscle you have under there and start a real cycle when you get back from holiday. D-bol will only bloat you up and shut you down unnecessarily.

[bigwillystyle]

i dont think you have enough gear or enough time. like samcam said cardio and diet will give a good look , sounds like you already have a low bodyfat%

generally to see any leanmuscle gains from winny..your talking week 4 to week six in my experience.

save your gear for a future cycle when you have more time.

bws

[nathanlgd]

Ok then guys I'll do just that
I'm still going to run some clen though, I don't wanna lose much/any muscle weight whilst losing weight. Plus this stuff will help with the weight loss as well as offering the anicatabolic effect.
I'll leave out the d-bol for a future cycle.
Cheers

[GHO5T]

That was my original thought/idea - Test prop and tren but moneys a little tight, I don't want to do a proper cycle and I'd like to avoid injections this time around.

There was a well astablished member on here that knew his stuff and was in great shape that ran a low dose d-bol only cycle and made nice, steady gains just to prove a point so I know the cycle I suggested above should result in half decent gains and point me in the direction of my goal. I just wanted to run it past you guys to see if any of the more experienced and clued up members could give me any advice.

Thanks for the reply none the less.

One has come to the realization that injectable AAS provide far better results than running orals only. Once you realize this aspect of cycling than you will be better suited to run a proper cycle and gain optimal results.

IMO your short terms ( to look good for the holidays) can be achieved thru a structured diet and solid training regime. You have more than enough time to gain naturally and see a noticeable amount of lean mass before your vacation.

IMO you dont even need the addtion of clen to achieve this, you can gain it on your own w/o the help on any compounds. I say this because in the future you will always look for a compound to help you gain, and the aspect of fully natural gains goes out the window, b/c you will be too dependent on supplements ( a pyschological effect ).

I see it happen on a day to day basis, where bros try to add any kind of supplement or compound to try and gain or maintain, b/c they are so used to running something. They totally forget the basis and foundation of any proper muscle mass program which is a structured diet and solid training regime.