Why Not Use AAS To Get In Shape?

[bpm1]

i read many posts stating that you should get in shape before starting aas. im a little confused as to why, i can definately think of reasons why this possibly might not be good in some situations, but i can also see some pros. i am not posting this in a combative or defiant fashion i am truly interested in the reasoning. there are many of you that i respect greatly (based on your threads, personal info etc...) and i wish to hear from the seasoned bros, not that you newbies like me are worthless but i hope youll sit this one out, thanks all! i have learned mountains of info on this site and have benefitted greatly from that knoweledge!

[RA]

IMO, if you have to prove your ready to make the sacrafice. People think sticking a needle in their ass or taking a pill will make them big. Its food, its training....aas just ehances that. If I was convinced someone had a sound diet and workout AND WERE GOING TO STICK TO IT. Then I would say ok.

There is also the argument that you should hit your natty peak first. Not a bad idea.

[MuscleScience]

I did it after having two surgeries and an 8 month lay off. It got me back to were I was before all my injuries. In 3 months I was back to were I was at and a little beyond that took me two years to achieve between injuries.

[Bigmax]

well we have to understand that AAS is the next level...I'm a firm believer in getting everything I can natty first ...when the wall cannot be broken then you get help...Ive been cycling 14-15 years and I still go by this regimen...When I'm OFF I go all out to prepare my body for the upcoming cycle and set my goals...

[Kale]

IMO, if you have to prove your ready to make the sacrafice. People think sticking a needle in their ass or taking a pill will make them big. Its food, its training....aas just ehances that. If I was convinced someone had a sound diet and workout AND WERE GOING TO STICK TO IT. Then I would say ok.

There is also the argument that you should hit your natty peak first. Not a bad idea.

I would like to put money on it that 99% of people who have juiced were no where near there natty peak !!

[Bigmax]

well yeah alot of that %% come here and ask what went wrong...

[RA]

Totally agree kale. But I like to hit on what is optimal. Like sus shot eod rather than 2x/wk

I would like to put money on it that 99% of people who have juiced were no where near there natty peak !!

[bpm1]

so its more about dedication to bb or strength training and once youve proven that, aas are like a rite of passage? it doesnt make you more injury prone or something negative like that?

[Manpretty]

...When I'm OFF I go all out to prepare my body for the upcoming cycle and set my goals...

this is so true, you know how you hear of people losing everything they gained?
well its because they dont have diet and trianing in place before cycling if you expect to stay at say 200lbs after a cycle and your eating like your 150lbs it just wont do your setting your self up for failure.

also estro sides are greater at higher %bf and no aas will help you lose fat besides tren .

no one is saying that it wont give you results to cycle while your out of shape you most likely wont get the results you are looking for tho.
the result of this is can be
a) people up the dose to see greater results (potentially harmful and unnessary and more expensive)
b) people extend cycles and/or dont take the required break to try and get better results

finally

" i wish to hear from the seasoned bros, not that you newbies like me are worthless but i hope youll sit this one out, thanks all!" bpm1

that statement is ridiculous there are guys on here that have thousands of post with no cycle history and there are guy that have 2 posts with vast cycle history. in fact some of the mod only have 3-4 cycles under their belt.

and for the rest of you how do i quote more than one thing in a post?

[Manpretty]

so its more about dedication to bb or strength training and once youve proven that, aas are like a rite of passage? it doesnt make you more injury prone or something negative like that?

the thing is you dont need aas to make gains when you are out of shape where as a person that is in shape finds it hard to make anytype of gains.....the thing is why would you bother potentially hurting your body for something that could be done EASILY without aas

[*Narkissos*]

define: "to get in shape"

If by the above you mean: "I'm a fat-ass trying to get my six-pack", the obvious reason would be...If you're out of shape the addition of AAS can put undue stress on your already stressed body. In addition to taxing your organs etc. you also run the risk of injury.

If by the above you mean however: "I've moved from 10% to 15% in a planned fashion..15% being the goal at the end of my bulk. I'm now ready to cut.. and i would like to incorporate AAS (or other ergogenics) to help stave off catabolism (re: retaining the hard-earned muscle while you cut).. then i see no problem with it.

Because:

a. you obviously have a plan which you stick to (This being one of the most important factors)
b. You've accepted the extent of the risks...and you have an interest in safety.
c. you probably bust your ass in the gym..and don't half-ass your diet either.
d. you're serious enough about yourself and your health and your training

-N

[G-1000]

Running gear before your body is ready also put's you ligament tendons and joints at rick of injury.

If you cause damage to any one of those 3 life is going to suck.

[pigrond]

as an uninformed recovering alcoholic who hadnt lifted in years i did my 1st cycle after working out for only 3 months ,it made me stronger and gave me the ambition and drive to go to the gym everyday and work hard for the new me i wanted ,im now off cycle a lot leaner than i was a lot stronger than i was and i intend to do another cycle in march have i reached my natural limit i doubt it should i be more scientific about body building diet and so on, sure but its not gonna happen overnight i am dieting and trying to eat right and train correctly ,so in my opinion can steroids help you get in shape they helped me but i would not recomend that some 300 lb lard as with 30" cankles try to do roids to get shape.i absolutely believe my result would have been better with a well planned cycle and if i had been in better shape .just my 2 cents like it or hate it.i jumped in blindly im now more informed

[Bigmax]

congrats on your soberiety bro...You're are very well waare of what you did and followed a good protocal after the cycle...if you read my post earlier i touched on priming your body for the next cycle just after you finished the last...which you touched upon...sounds like you're on the right track...not only to get in the best physical shape but being in great health..props to you bro..

[Halfcenturian]

as an uninformed recovering alcoholic who hadnt lifted in years i did my 1st cycle after working out for only 3 months ,it made me stronger and gave me the ambition and drive to go to the gym everyday and work hard for the new me i wanted ,im now off cycle a lot leaner than i was a lot stronger than i was and i intend to do another cycle in march have i reached my natural limit i doubt it should i be more scientific about body building diet and so on, sure but its not gonna happen overnight i am dieting and trying to eat right and train correctly ,so in my opinion can steroids help you get in shape they helped me but i would not recomend that some 300 lb lard as with 30" cankles try to do roids to get shape.i absolutely believe my result would have been better with a well planned cycle and if i had been in better shape .just my 2 cents like it or hate it.i jumped in blindly im now more informed

Hey, you remind me of some one... ME. I quit alcohol, nicotine(cigars, chew) and recreational drugs, about 8 years ago. That's how I got into lifting. It replaced the time I spent getting fukced up with detoxing my body and turning fat into muscle. I did not do gear, however, for another 3 years until I felt I had gone about as far as I could natty. If you are committed to your sobriety, and you plan on committing to your training, I would suggest more time focusing on diet and trainingg hard. Revisit gear in a year. Congrats on your sobriety. PM me if you ever need to talk. God Bless you, my friend.

[Bigmax]

Hey, you remind me of some one... ME. I quit alcohol, nicotine(cigars, chew) and recreational drugs, about 8 years ago. That's how I got into lifting. It replaced the time I spent getting fukced up with detoxing my body and turning fat into muscle. I did not do gear, however, for another 3 years until I felt I had gone about as far as I could natty. If you are committed to your sobriety, and you plan on committing to your training, I would suggest more time focusing on diet and trainingg hard. Revisit gear in a year. Congrats on your sobriety. PM me if you ever need to talk. God Bless you, my friend.

Congrat to you too bro...stay with it.

[Fastcav]

finally

" i wish to hear from the seasoned bros, not that you newbies like me are worthless but i hope youll sit this one out, thanks all!" bpm1

that statement is ridiculous there are guys on here that have thousands of post with no cycle history and there are guy that have 2 posts with vast cycle history. in fact some of the mod only have 3-4 cycles under their belt.

and for the rest of you how do i quote more than one thing in a post?

Agreed. I have been reading this board for many years but just recently joined and started posting this month. I am almost half way through my 3rd cycle and I think I have a decent understanding of a lot of things from experiance, trial and error and the knowlegable people on this board.

Running gear before your body is ready also put's you ligament tendons and joints at rick of injury.

If you cause damage to any one of those 3 life is going to suck.

Couldn't not agree more.

[bpm1]

this is so true, you know how you hear of people losing everything they gained?
well its because they dont have diet and trianing in place before cycling if you expect to stay at say 200lbs after a cycle and your eating like your 150lbs it just wont do your setting your self up for failure.

also estro sides are greater at higher %bf and no aas will help you lose fat besides tren .

no one is saying that it wont give you results to cycle while your out of shape you most likely wont get the results you are looking for tho.
the result of this is can be
a) people up the dose to see greater results (potentially harmful and unnessary and more expensive)
b) people extend cycles and/or dont take the required break to try and get better results

finally

" i wish to hear from the seasoned bros, not that you newbies like me are worthless but i hope youll sit this one out, thanks all!" bpm1

that statement is ridiculous there are guys on here that have thousands of post with no cycle history and there are guy that have 2 posts with vast cycle history. in fact some of the mod only have 3-4 cycles under their belt.

and for the rest of you how do i quote more than one thing in a post?

relax! the only point was for guys with cycle exp. not newbies ok!

[*Narkissos*]

^^ (most) "Guys with cycle experience" use AAS while cutting...

It's the noobs who 'want to just get in shape' that come here asking about using AAS to get in shape.

What was your point?

[bpm1]

^^ (most) "Guys with cycle experience" use AAS while cutting...

It's the noobs who 'want to just get in shape' that come here asking about using AAS to get in shape.

What was your point?

basically the point was to see if there was any signifigant danger to using aas while getting in shape. thats all

[Bigmax]

Thats understood bro..but the point that is being made by guys who know is: you dont necesarily need AAS just to get in shape...

[*Narkissos*]

basically the point was to see if there was any signifigant danger to using aas while getting in shape. thats all

To noobs? Yes.
To non-noobs? Yes.. but to a lesser extent.

All stems from your definition of 'out of shape'.

That's the main point presented in the brunt of the replies.

e.g. For me, i'm 'out of shape' if i'm at 15% bodyfat.

That's approximately when i'd start cutting.

An athlete (a healthy athlete that is) starting to cut at this bodyfat percentage should logically be at little health risk. BP should be under control for example.


Someone else's definition of 'out of shape' might be 25+%

In fact i'd bet that most people's definitions of out of shape fall within the 20-30% bodyfat range.

IMO it'd be irresponsible to suggest that'd it be safe for an individual of this range could feasibly utilise AAS to 'maintain muscle' while cutting.

This individual is feasibly a heart-attack waiting to happen.

Steroids ?= thumbsdown.

-N

[*Narkissos*]

Steroids ?= thumbsdown.

-N

Other ergogenics fall into the above as well.

*thumbsdown*

-N

[bpm1]

on the record i absolutely agree that a person should be in shape and educated on the pros and cons of aas use before they delve into their use. my definition of "out of shape" is someone who has never lifted, dieted appropriately and been dedicated to a workout program for an extended period of time and met the goals of that program.

[bpm1]

Thats understood bro..but the point that is being made by guys who know is: you dont necesarily need AAS just to get in shape...

i absolutely agree with you, im 32 on on my first cycle. ive always been very strong and had decent size 5"11" 210 w/ 32" waist at my natural peak. im mainly using to try and rebuild a torn pec muscle, i never even considered using until this happened and my doc said he would be able to give me scrips for the aas because of the injury.

[*Narkissos*]

Thread title: Why Not Use AAS To Get In Shape?

Opening post:

i read many posts stating that you should get in shape before starting aas. im a little confused as to why, i can definately think of reasons why this possibly might not be good in some situations, but i can also see some pros. i am not posting this in a combative or defiant fashion i am truly interested in the reasoning. there are many of you that i respect greatly (based on your threads, personal info etc...) and i wish to hear from the seasoned bros, not that you newbies like me are worthless but i hope youll sit this one out, thanks all! i have learned mountains of info on this site and have benefitted greatly from that knoweledge!

Responses:

http://forums.steroid.com/showpost.p...49&postcount=9

And yours:

relax! the only point was for guys with cycle exp. not newbies ok!

And then:

on the record i absolutely agree that a person should be in shape and educated on the pros and cons of aas use before they delve into their use. my definition of "out of shape" is someone who has never lifted, dieted appropriately and been dedicated to a workout program for an extended period of time and met the goals of that program.

This would make the person a noob correct?

Lemme re-quote:

relax! the only point was for guys with cycle exp. not newbies ok!

^^Which is it?

-N

[bpm1]

im trying to understand exactly what you are asking me bro?

[*Narkissos*]

^^Not tyring to be antagonistic by the way It's just that noobs read these threads...so i'm trying to get it clear what you're asking.

Is it with regard to seasoned pros using gear while cutting.. or is it with regard to out of shape noobs using AAS to get in shape?

It appears that it's the latter.

Please clarify.

[bpm1]

it is the latter .

[fLgAtOr]

Nark, he was asking for advice from people that were experienced.

Manpretty jumped on his statement and that was his response.

manpretty, in his defense, I'm pretty sure he didn't mean post count bro.

[*Narkissos*]

it is the latter .

the latter being out of shape noobs...

[frank12391]

I did it after having two surgeries and an 8 month lay off. It got me back to were I was before all my injuries. In 3 months I was back to were I was at and a little beyond that took me two years to achieve between injuries.

I used it to reverse early stage ostoeporosus (osteopenia) and I had several soft tissue back injuries. My recovery was expected to take 2 years with traditional therapy. I couldn't wait that long before returning to work so I took a chance and it payed off in 3 months. Low theraputic doses, diet and cardio because I couldn't lift wieghts. I was the typical pot belly shape. My body now has a good V look and I lost the belly as well. This was my first cycle.

[UberSteroids]

^^Not tyring to be antagonistic by the way It's just that noobs read these threads...so i'm trying to get it clear what you're asking.

Is it with regard to seasoned pros using gear while cutting.. or is it with regard to out of shape noobs using AAS to get in shape?

It appears that it's the latter.

Please clarify.

Yup, I am right here Nark.

See I have a pretty good understanding (good enough to be responsible when taking them) of how AS work and how important diet and consistand routine is. I'm just bit too fat for steroids right now since I'm bulking up and pussy out when I see the needle. So it'll take a while before I do it.
But If You ask me what to do to "get in shape"... Lifting, exercising, dieting would be things that come to my mind, but AS ? no, not really.

[Manpretty]

Nark, he was asking for advice from people that were experienced.

Manpretty jumped on his statement and that was his response.

manpretty, in his defense, I'm pretty sure he didn't mean post count bro.

it all comes from the definition of a newbie....i thought he was meaning new to the board. appearently not.

anyway......back to the question........aas for getting in shape?

well to put it bluntly NO.....if your a fat ass AAS wont benifit you willl have bigger muscles with the same layer of fat covering them. and my point still remains, why use AAS to do something that could be easily without aas. I mean if your at 25% its pretty damm easy to lose weight and if you arent losing weight you arent trying.....typically its the last few % that is hard to lose going from 9% to 6 or 7% not going from a fat ass to and moderately overweight guy. this is the idea of gearing out at the genitic potential.....its the last little bit thats hard not the beginning or the middle! all tho i dont agree fully with genitic potential i do think that one should have a base for the gear and unless you are a powerlifer or a stongman 20%bf is even to high IMO.....so stop being so god damm lazy and go to the gym

[MuscleScience]

I used it to reverse early stage ostoeporosus (osteopenia) and I had several soft tissue back injuries. My recovery was expected to take 2 years with traditional therapy. I couldn't wait that long before returning to work so I took a chance and it payed off in 3 months. Low theraputic doses, diet and cardio because I couldn't lift wieghts. I was the typical pot belly shape. My body now has a good V look and I lost the belly as well. This was my first cycle.

Congrads man on your recovery.

[frank12391]

thank you, and you also