what's up everyone, some help please

[boDAWG]

look down to see my problem, PLEASE

[boDAWG]

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[HORSE~]

I can guaranty you that if you where to get your deit,workout routines and rest in order that you could still make incredible gains....

If you choice to take the time to learn and perfect these essential parts of training then kudo's....If you choice to ignore the advice given then please take the time to read this artical before proceding any farther....



"What is the Right Age to Start Using Steroids ?

By: Brandon Walsh
This article is being published in hopes of reaching some of the younger people, involved in our great sport of body building, reach their goals without making the great mistake of using steroids too early in their long lives. The problem with this is that most young bodybuilders (BBs) cannot grasp the concept of the future and how long the road ahead really is even with the use of steroids. How do you convince a 14 year old that it will take years before he can look like the Pro BB's in the magazines, and that he may never look like that even with all the drugs available in the world. Well that is what I hope to accomplish within this article.

At what age should you be, before you consider using steroids? This question is not as easily answered as you may think it is. You cannot randomly just pick an age and say that this is the point at which you can now start to consider using steroids.

Between the ages of 12 and 26 a male's hormone levels are on a steady rise until the age of 26. This is when these levels slowly start to decline until they are almost nonexistent by the ripe old age of 40.

When puberty starts in males at the age of 12 there is a huge flux in hormonal patterns in the body, which cause the growth of male characteristics, (deepening of the voice, growth of body hair, growth in height, etc.). These hormone levels increase by themselves so much that they can be compared to that of a mild steroid cycle. Therefore trying to add to what the body is doing on its own by adding in exogenous (outside) Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) is very counter productive.

Whenever any extra amount of AAS is added to the body, the body recognizes this extra level through a feedback loop in the human body known as the Hypothalamus. Once the Hypothalamus recognizes the increase in hormones which happens usually between 14 and 21 days, the body will shut off its own production of hormones until these levels decrease, along with increasing hormones to decrease these extra levels in the body (cortisone, estrogen). Cortisone and Estrogen are 2 hormones in the body that BBs do not need any extra. The easiest way to try to explain this without getting to complicated, is that the more AAS you put in your body, the more your body will try to lower those levels. When this happens BBs get all the side effects that are normally associated with AAS use, gynecomastia (growth of fatty tissue underneath the breasts in males), hair loss, kidney damage, liver damage, and high blood pressure, just to name a few).

Before you consider the use of AAS you should have already reached your genetic potential. What is your genetic potential? To figure this out you should first look at the weight, height and build of other members in your family. Is this exact, no, but it is somewhere to start. If every male on both sides of your family is approximately 5'7" and weighs between 150lbs and 170lbs and they are all bald by the age of 25, then it would be a good guess that you will also fall somewhere in those ranges by the time you stop growing. Now with working out and eating correctly for 4 years lets say, you would be able to put on 15 or more pounds of muscle tissue (that would mean you now weigh 165-185 lbs.). This is what your genetic potential would be. Now if you started to use steroids at that point, 165-185 lbs you may be able to put on another 15-20 lbs (180-200lbs). If you had started using when you were 125 lbs., and gained 25lbs through the use of steroids, you would still be well short of what you could have gotten naturally (150lbs as compared to 180-200lbs), and now it will be much harder to try to gain another 30-40lbs.

So for a starting point lets say that you need to be at least 18 years of age before you consider using steroids. Now that we have a starting point, lets look at a few other factors that should be considered. Steroids DO NOT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM makes up for a good diet and workout program. Most people who use AAS feel that this is the time where they can be a little more relaxed in their workouts and diet. Actually this is when they should be even more strict. So before you can think of using at the age of 18, you will need 3 more solid years of good training and eating habits. Minor changes in diet and workouts can result in great gains in mass and muscle as well as strength.

No matter how much assistance you get from AAS, without proper nutrition and workouts you will be lucky to have any gains at all, let alone keep them after the cycle is over. The goal of using any substance, legal or not should be that after you stop using it you don't loose all of that which you have fought to get. What would be the point of spending all that money (steroids are not free) to gain that 30lbs when you will loose it after the cycle is over anyway?

So the better question to ask instead of when can I take steroids, should be, what can I do to get all that I can out of my body without needing steroids?. In order to calculate my progress, I need to talk with my family and doctors, before I try to make a choice like that.

We will start with the age range of 14-16; this is when your hormones are raging. Your body is in full swing of making the best steroids that you can ever get, and it does all this without you even needing to do a single thing. At this point you should start with a solid exercise plan and a basic supplement plan in addition to the regular food that you need to be eating on a regular basis.

For workouts focus on the basic compound movements (Bench Press, Squats, Deadlifts, Barbell Curls, etc.) Working out 4 days a week with at least 8 hours of sleep a night is a great start. Add to that the extra protein that you should be taking and you will definitely start seeing a difference in your body. As for supplements, at this point all I would suggest is a good Meal Replacement Shake, multi-vitamin and creatine. Any shake will work, just add 2 shakes a day to the 3 solid meals that you should already be eating. Creatine has more benefits then I could start to explain in this article, but what I can say is that it will help your strength, muscle, speed, and recovery without any negative side effects.

By the age of 16-18 you will have had most of your growth spurts and you will be ready to change a few more things in your overall plan. You workouts can become a little more specialized as you start using different exercises. As for your nutrition program, all that I would think of adding now would be something such as extra glutamine before bed and maybe a ZMA supplement. You still don?t want to take anything that would alter what your body is doing on its own, so using ZMA and glutamine is just what you need.

Somewhere between 18 and 21 you should be just about done growing, so what should you do differently now? Add more protein! You should be getting at the very least, your body weight in grams of protein per day! And that?s at the very least! By now you will have been working out consistently for quite a while and should know your body very well. What will work and what won?t work should be old news. There isn?t really anything new to add to what is already a great program, other than Tribulus and maybe a pre-workout supplement such as Ultimate Orange. After this point, you can start to consider the use of steroids. What about them? Are they as terrible as everyone seems to think they are? As long as they are used correctly, I don?t think so. When considering their use, I feel that orals should be used as late as possible. These are most harmful on the body and therefore should not be used for a very long time.

Another thing to consider, other than the side effects I have already spoken of, is your sex drive. Some AAS will make your sex drive almost nonexistent and will have a big effect on your sperm count. These drugs in particular should try to be avoided. That leaves mild anabolics. Although they are the safest to use, they are expensive, illegal, and require the use of a needle. Which most first time users do not want to use.

I told you that this is not something that should be passed off very easily; you shouldn?t have to make the mistakes that most of us make by using steroids to early in your life. If used correctly, I think they are fine, but look at what it takes in order to use them correctly. Have you been working out for 5 years straight without more the 2 weeks off every 6 weeks? Do you eat every 2-3 hours, 6 times a day without missing a meal? Do you get 8 hours of sleep every night? This is something that can have a huge effect on your body for the rest of your life, so don?t make that choice in 10 minutes. Good luck and keep growing.


Goodluck in your desicion be Smart and Dont use steroids!!!!

[boDAWG]

ok guys so i did about 3 weeks of research, i even met with like 4 guys that were and some still are on stuff, one guy is in med field and gave me pretty good info and reffered me to this site as well.
im 19, 215lbs, 15% bf, 6'1''
eating about 3500 cal a day TOTAL
between 70-90 grams of protein TOTAL (im bumping this up, im thinking 3 shakes a day at 50gras each???) - please also keep in mind THIS IS ONLY FROM THE SHAKES i get between 30-50 grams per each meal and i eat three times a day, hell here is a better way to show this:

breakfast:
6 egg whites
a glass of whole milk
2 slices of wheat bread


shake 1:
25 grams of protein
multivitamin

lunch:
3 pieces of lean chicken breast
cup of rice
cup of beans
cup of peas
4 pieces of wheat bread

snack 2:
1 bannana
a protein bar 30 grams of protein

dinner:
a good sized lamb chop
4 slices of wheat bread
a cup of corn
a cup of brown rice

snack 3:
protein shake 25 grams of protein
slice of white bread with some jam on it

i've been eating this way since february of 2006 and i have seen no change in body wieght, fat percentage, mass, size NOTHING, i even had a doctor check me out and he said he thinks i need to bump my diet because i have reached my peak, and i asked him about steroids and he almost SLAPED me

just to let you guys know, when i was 16 years old i was 167lbs on a good day, and then all of a sudden i blew up and grew like crazy just off of some protein, and i hit 215 by the time i was 18, and then it stopped that's when i started the diet and went to the doctor to get checked out, for a long time i thought i had some damn dissease that didnt let me grow haha but the doctor said i didnt, and then i thought i some bacteria might be eating all the food i put in my body but thats not the case either, i just need some help, steroids or not i wanna get bigger

3 months ago i did a full cycle of oral turinadrol and ergo max
and i just got done with a cycle of methyl DX3, and nothing i dont know how


no pop, no fast food, no junk food

im thinkin about starting a cycle

1-6 weeks of anadrol at 50mg a day
1-12 weeks of t-250
12-14 weeks of clomid
have nolvadex on hand

looking to gain some mass, some pretty nice mass, i know i will have water retention with anadrol but im using it as a jump start, i was thinkin about adding deca at 600mg a week but some guys think it would be too much for my first cycle

some guys told me that im too young to juice, but i wanna put on size cuz the natural way is not doing it for me, have been trying for 2 years now and nothin

a lil feedback on my work out experience
lifted since 9th grade, got pretty serious with it at 17 and was doing great and then tore a muscle (right lat), so i was out for about 4 months, so it set me back a bit, overall i know my exercises and diet plans but help would be greatly appreciated

my dimeonsions for now are:
arms 16''
foreamrs 13''
thighs 24''
chest 45''
waist 36''
calves 19''
215LBS
6'1''
15% BF

i need everything to improve hahaha, i want my arms bigger, my chest bigger, my trap, but i want my abs to get more defined, my calves and thighs to get more defnied, please help me out

[StevePJC]

Just curious

How many threads are you going to start tonight with the SAME info in it?

[fLgAtOr]

Welcome to the board.

Did you not like the first answer given to you?

[HardCharger]

Awesome post Horse! I wish I had people like you guys around when I was his age. I'm 5'8"/5'9" depending on who you ask while the rest of the men in my family are 5'11"-6'1". Anyways, I have a feeling your going to do it your way. If you are... I'd stick with just a simple Test-E cycle. It'll be better for your first time and also give you a base on wich to compare later cycles.

[boDAWG]

thanks for that post, is there a thread on here that will show me a good diet plan so i can compare?
also my dad is about 6'1'' and he weighs about 215 but has a beer belly hhaha, his dad is about 5'11'' and weighs roughly 200lbs also has a beer belly, my uncle is about 6'1'' weighs about 220lbs in pretty good shape, my mom's dad is about 5'9'' weighs about 170lbs beer belly as well, and i already consulted with my doctor and got a second opinion and they both said they think im at my peak growth level, at this point what should i do?

[boDAWG]

i tried erasing the fisrt thread because i reliazed it was in a wrong place but i dont know how to

[boDAWG]

ok i couldnt erase it but i edited it so people arent getting pissed off

[Haro3]

3500 calories a day and 70-90 protein...per meal?? or total??

[SMAN12b]

Check out the diet forum

http://forums.steroid.com/forumdisplay.php?f=6

[boDAWG]

hey thanks A LOT to you guys, very helpful post and very helpful link thanks alot

[boDAWG]

total

[king6]

total

There is your first problem. You need between 300-400 grams of protein, but you need to figure out what your needs are.

[boDAWG]

how would i do that? i tried searching the forum but no luck

[C_Bino]

Merged.

[boDAWG]

ok this will probably make me look so stupid but oh well im here to learn, i thoght a person needs about 3 grams of protein per every pound of lean body mass so i though 90 grams would be plenty enough

[king6]

ok this will probably make me look so stupid but oh well im here to learn, i thoght a person needs about 3 grams of protein per every pound of lean body mass so i though 90 grams would be plenty enough

That would make you 30lbs. And I hope you are heavier than that. Check out the diet forum, and the sticky on bulking. That should head you in the right direction.

[boDAWG]

i did i just edited this thread to show you guys how i have been eating for almost a year now

[boDAWG]

i was wondering if anybody an put my post at the top of the thread so people know what im talking about

[HardCharger]

ok, i can't really give any advice on diet because I never could get mine as clean as I should. But for the gear.... I'd run Testosterone Enanthate @ 500mg a week, take shots monday and thursday useing a 23 or 25 gage 1 1/2 or 1 inch needle and a 3 - 5 cc syringe. cycle though muscles when injecting, like hit the right delt then left delt, then right thigh, then left thigh, then to glutes. here read this http://www.**************.com/index3.htm and dont forget to read the info section. it'll teach you how to check to see if you're in a good injection site or if you need to pull out and find a new one. And stick with the three muscle groups I mentioned for your first cycle.