cycle comments anyone? (4th run)

**Bandit57** · 01-29-2007, 11:34 PM

ok guys, I used to be a frequent visitor to the site, but haven't been here in a few months... I'm starting my fourth cycle and here are my stats, etc
22 yr old 5'8" 178 lbs, 13% BF... I have been lifting for some 8 years now. I am wanting this cycle to help me cut up some more, and also put on some more size, possible up to 190 lbs with 10% BF or less... I still have some of my a**ominal muscle showing from the last cycle which was 5 months ago (Tren 110mg ED for 8 weeks & Test C 400mg EW for weeks 1-6), but I am wanting to get more defined, increased vascularity and hardness throughout. My next cycle looks like this:

Week 1-4 Tren 125mg EOD
Week 5-8 Tren 125mg ED
Week 2-6 Test E 400mg EW (frontload 600mg week 1)
Week 2-8 Winstrol 50 mg EOD
proper pct 8-12

My goal date is week 10 from the starting point... I want to be off of everything for a week or two before the goal point since I find the most work is done once I come off... (Is this legit?)
My main concerns are:
1) Is this too much?? This is my fourth cycle, the first being Sustanon 250 for 10 weeks, the second Deca 200 and test C for 8 weeks and the third was outlined above..
2) Can I mix up how I take the tren as outlined?

Anyfeedback is greatly appreciated! Thanks guys!

**dhriscerr** · 01-29-2007, 11:41 PM

Originally Posted by Bandit57

ok guys, I used to be a frequent visitor to the site, but haven't been here in a few months... I'm starting my fourth cycle and here are my stats, etc
22 yr old 5'8" 178 lbs, 13% BF... I have been lifting for some 8 years now. I am wanting this cycle to help me cut up some more, and also put on some more size, possible up to 190 lbs with 10% BF or less... I still have some of my a**ominal muscle showing from the last cycle which was 5 months ago (Tren 110mg ED for 8 weeks & Test C 400mg EW for weeks 1-6), but I am wanting to get more defined, increased vascularity and hardness throughout. My next cycle looks like this:

Week 1-4 Tren 125mg EOD
Week 5-8 Tren 125mg ED
Week 2-6 Test E 400mg EW (frontload 600mg week 1)
Week 2-8 Winstrol 50 mg EOD
proper pct 8-12

My goal date is week 10 from the starting point... I want to be off of everything for a week or two before the goal point since I find the most work is done once I come off... (Is this legit?)
My main concerns are:
1) Is this too much?? This is my fourth cycle, the first being Sustanon 250 for 10 weeks, the second Deca 200 and test C for 8 weeks and the third was outlined above..
2) Can I mix up how I take the tren as outlined?

Anyfeedback is greatly appreciated! Thanks guys!

Why Enethate? Why not prop or something alittle quicker? I think that Enethate at 6 weeks is going to be pretty short lived, since alot of times you dont feel it until week 4-5 I dont know if its any different with tren or anything stacked with it? Bump for more experienced members.

**Bandit57** · 01-29-2007, 11:45 PM

I chose enanthate only based on others advice that enanthate works better in a cutting cycle rather than a bulking... I also have cypionate on hand and can substitute it for the enanthate.... anyone else know if this would be a better idea?

**dhriscerr** · 01-30-2007, 12:42 AM

I dont know about the cutting, I think enethate is good for mass and can add water weight. Alsy cypionate is the same ester as enethate so it wont really be any different, 14-16 days, Prop is 3-4 days so I think that you would find it to be more beneficial to run a short ester in a short test cycle. Did you see gains off of your last cycle? You ran cyp at 6 weeks, if you did Im willing to bet alot of it came from the tren , but everyones body is different. also looking for cutting, whats your diet like? But like I said before I dont know much about tren or stacking it so I dont know if this will make a difference. Bump for someone with tren exp.

**Bandit57** · 01-30-2007, 02:36 AM

I did see pretty decent gains off the last cycle.. the tren is home made by yours truely so i know its effective... i lost about 6-7% BF and put on about 10-14 pounds of good lean muscle, yet I didn't quite get the cutting effect I was looking for... diet may have had a say in that, yet I decided to throw winny in there this time

**Jefferey** · 01-30-2007, 09:31 AM

Originally Posted by Bandit57

I chose enanthate only based on others advice that enanthate works better in a cutting cycle rather than a bulking... I also have cypionate on hand and can substitute it for the enanthate.... anyone else know if this would be a better idea?

This is wrong...Prop's hold less water making them more suitable for cutting then enathates...But with proper diet, cardio and training you can cut on anything..