I researched this!!

[X-Damien]

But could not get a clear answer. I'm sure you're all sick of these types of questions, but this is what this forum is for...right
My dilemma is:
I see most are staking 3 + ingredients for the magic juice, even newbies.
I however could only get:

Test and EQ
Aromasin (for PCT)

This is my 1st cycle - I'm concerned if this is enough.
My goals are to add 10-15 lbs and loose 10-15 lbs of fat.
Seem pretty realistic?

My stats:
5"6 173lbs 16% B/F
I have been working out of almost 5 years 2 of them religiously.
I've been eating well for past 8mo.
60% protein (1 1/2 gr per body weight) 30 % carbs 10% good fat.
I'm also between a mesomorph and endomorph - I put on muscle fairly well, but I also can gain fat if I'm not psycho about my diet.

Is that a good start for me (test and eq), or should I add more ingredients?
Also - should I be taking Aroma during my cycle as well?

Cycle: twice a week test/eq for 8 weeks.
What's a dosage for best results?

Thank you all in advance!!!

D

[Hack72]

I would consider those two things together as an intermediate cycle. A good beginners cycle would be test-e at 500mgs/wk for 12 wks. You would get more muscular and see how your body reacts to endogenous amounts of testosterone. If you are set on doing those test-e and eq. together then you should do the test-e at 500mgs/wk for 13 wks, and the eq. at 400mgs/wk for 12 wks. You could also add d-bol at 20mgs/day for the first 4 wks as a kickstart. Make sure whatever you decide to do that you have a very good pct. Good luck bro.

[X-Damien]

Thank you, thank you!!!!

[X-Damien]

Clomiphene citrate from AR-R?
What about Exemestane (Aromasin) ?

[X-Damien]

...don't know where to get other stuff

[armbar83]

I would consider those two things together as an intermediate cycle. A good beginners cycle would be test-e at 500mgs/wk for 12 wks. You would get more muscular and see how your body reacts to endogenous amounts of testosterone. If you are set on doing those test-e and eq. together then you should do the test-e at 500mgs/wk for 13 wks, and the eq. at 400mgs/wk for 12 wks. You could also add d-bol at 20mgs/day for the first 4 wks as a kickstart. Make sure whatever you decide to do that you have a very good pct. Good luck bro.

you like saying that dont you...exogenous...hack

endogenous is whats in you...

[Hack72]

Have you ever heard of the book Anabolic Steroids Ultimate Research Guide,vol1 by Anthony Roberts and Brian Clapp. I got info on it from this site and everyone who owns it says its great and I agree. That wording comes right from the book.

[armbar83]

But could not get a clear answer. I'm sure you're all sick of these types of questions, but this is what this forum is for...right
My dilemma is:
I see most are staking 3 + ingredients for the magic juice, even newbies.
I however could only get:

Test and EQ
Aromasin (for PCT)

This is my 1st cycle - I'm concerned if this is enough.
My goals are to add 10-15 lbs and loose 10-15 lbs of fat.
Seem pretty realistic?

My stats:
5"6 173lbs 16% B/F
I have been working out of almost 5 years 2 of them religiously.
I've been eating well for past 8mo.
60% protein (1 1/2 gr per body weight) 30 % carbs 10% good fat.
I'm also between a mesomorph and endomorph - I put on muscle fairly well, but I also can gain fat if I'm not psycho about my diet.

Is that a good start for me (test and eq), or should I add more ingredients?
Also - should I be taking Aroma during my cycle as well?

Cycle: twice a week test/eq for 8 weeks.
What's a dosage for best results?

Thank you all in advance!!!

D

if its your first id just run the test e or cyp like everyone says for 12 weeks at 250mg/twice a week. id just get some nolva for pct and if your worried about bloat, some arimidex at .25 ed. you can get nolva and dex from lion or arr. that said you could run the eq if you really wanted. i would say your goals are unrealistic for one cycle, especially since its your first and you probably wont have diet and trainning really wired. basically your looking to gain 30 pounds of muscle...no. use this first cycle as a means to learn how you react to gear. id say with good diet, trainning, and rest you could gain 10-20 pounds including bloat. when your done and the bloat weight goes away, youll notice your a few pounds heavier but your body comp will be different.

[X-Damien]

sounds good!

[armbar83]

Have you ever heard of the book Anabolic Steroids Ultimate Research Guide,vol1 by Anthony Roberts and Brian Clapp. I got info on it from this site and everyone who owns it says its great and I agree. That wording comes right from the book.

never heard of it...whos anthony roberts?

exogenous

[bpm1]

bro do the test at 500mg, like they are saying, im 6 weeks into my 12wk of 500mg test c (250mg on mon, 250mg on thurs) ive gained 15lbs and lost an inch in my waist, test is all you need for your first cycle, also i started getting gyno so started 10mg of tamox(ar-r has got it) symptoms have decreased , my nips are still a little puffy, but hasnt gotten worse. GL but IMHO all you need is the TEST!

[bpm1]

never heard of it...whos anthony roberts?

exogenous

u r funny armbar

[kynetguy]

Have you ever heard of the book Anabolic Steroids Ultimate Research Guide,vol1 by Anthony Roberts and Brian Clapp. I got info on it from this site and everyone who owns it says its great and I agree. That wording comes right from the book.

I was going to disagree with you but I was reading his Test Suspension Profile:

"This product also has a high level of aromitization into estrogen and coverts to DHT (dihydrotestosterone) as well. Of course, adding endogenous testosterone to your body will result in the shutting down of your own exogenous testosterone levels, as well as the hormones secreted which cause testosterone to be secreted by your testes. "

This statement, is COMPLETELY and BLATENTLY incorrect. Exo and Endo should be swapped here.

In his Testoviron, Enanthate and Sustanon he gets it right though:

"It needs to also be noted that agression levels often rise dramatically with the use of exogenous testosterone (15)."

This proves one thing. . .people make mistakes. This is why research and knowledge is mandatory. So that you are able to see mistakes when they are made. Even Anthony Roberts isn't perfect.

I bet I will burn in hell for that last comment.

(EDIT: He isn't perfect, but I must admit, he probablly has forgotten more about steroids than most people know here, myself definately included)

[X-Damien]

k...so in case of early stages of gyno:

Exemestane (Aromasin)? Tamox? Nolva? or Clomid?

[armbar83]

id have letro on hand if your gyno prone...

[armbar83]

I was going to disagree with you but I was reading his Test Suspension Profile:


This statement, is COMPLETELY and BLATENTLY incorrect. Exo and Endo should be swapped here.

In his Testoviron, Enanthate and Sustanon he gets it right though:



This proves one thing. . .people make mistakes. This is why research and knowledge is mandatory. So that you are able to see mistakes when they are made. Even Anthony Roberts isn't perfect.

I bet I will burn in hell for that last comment.

(EDIT: He isn't perfect, but I must admit, he probablly has forgotten more about steroids than most people know here, myself definately included)

i think it just proves that you shouldnt give advice on this forum based on what your regurgitating from ar or anyone else...

*squawk squawk*

[X-Damien]

letro it is...
I already got Exemestane (Aromasin) though - well, whadaya do

[armbar83]

thats fine