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  1. #1
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    Help finalizing cycle

    Stats-215 18% and 22yo training for 6 years

    I have posted before and decided to run a test e/ deca cycle. I have been playing with numbers and reading for quite a while. Lots of conflicting info. I have seen a few people run winny in the last half of the cycle. I have a joint problem and know about the pain with winny but would like to include a moderate dose in the last half to judge value for me, and the deca water storage properties should heopfully make it tolerable. This is what it looks like now:

    Test E- 500mg Wks 1-10
    250mg Wks 11-12
    Deca- 400mg Wks 1-10
    200mg Wks 11-12
    Winny- 50mg/Day Wks 7-12
    Nolva- 10mg/Day Wks 1-12

    PCT-
    Nolva- 20mg/Day Wks 13-14
    10mg/Day Wks 15-16
    HCG- 500IU/Day Wks 13-14
    250IU/Day Wks 15-16

    Letro on hand throughout just in case.

    I have read a couple conflicting reviews on benefits of stepping down so that is up for debate. I have also read conflicting reviews on adding clomid or an AI to pct. I currently have a pct thread for that. Also up for debate is the winny in the last half and the nolva throughout. I want to be safe with estrogen sides. I have read both ways on nolva compromising gains and also effectiveness of stepping down pct to allow blood levels to normalize. Any comments appreciated.

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    Another thought for nolva during cycle... 20mg EOD, then bump it to every day after cycle...? Just an idea.

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    stop deca 2 weeks before the test,i would just run the enth 1-12 and the deca 1-10 500 enth 400 deca imo

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    Good to go. If the winny gets too badon the shoulder I can stop that aswell in the last 2 weeks?

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    leave the winny out. zero benifits at your bf%

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    OK so here it is, after all the info I have gotten:

    Wks 1-10: 500mgs Test E/ Week (250mg Mon and Wed)
    250mgs Deca/ Week (Monday)
    Wks 11-12: 250mgs Test E/ Week (Monday)
    10mgs Nolva/ Day

    PCT-
    Wks 1-2: 20mg Nolva/ Day
    1mg Arimidex/ Day
    Wks 3-4: 10mg Nolva/ Day
    .5mg Arimidex/ Day

    Letro will be on hand in case.

    Let me know what you think. Thanks again.

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    bump... not trying to be obnoxious, just trying do it right the first go.

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    Looks good, I personally would not step down the Test E, but either way it shouldn't hurt you.
    The deca is a low dose, but if you are just using it for joint support, then you are fine
    If you decide to run the winny, you should run it for 6 weeks and run it two weeks past the Test E to match PCT timing

    Just remember DIET is about 98% of this and the AAS is just a bonus! Good luck

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