Which one is it, doest DUTA cause deca hairloss, or prevent EQ hairloss?

**Angel of death** · 02-13-2007, 11:44 AM

Lets state the facts, dutasteride blocks test from converting to DHT very effectively. Most say that it blocks deca from converting to DHN, which makes deca more androgenic

if this is true....wouldnt it also block EQ from converting to DHB (a more potent androgen) and make EQ hairloss basically non existant? Its either that or the deca theory is false. Discuss

**Dog-Slime** · 02-13-2007, 11:49 AM

It will prevent them both from being converted. If deca is gonna cause you hair problems it is best to just avoid it because with or without duta it will still cause problems. If you use duta with eq then you shouldn't have to worry much about your hairline.

**Angel of death** · 02-13-2007, 11:53 AM

Thats what Im thinking, but most people have told me it does not help with EQ related hairloss....and that just doesnt make sense

**duramaxedge** · 02-13-2007, 12:16 PM

what about finastride too?

**Angel of death** · 02-13-2007, 12:17 PM

Well yeah it would be the same for both, whatever the verdict may be...

**Dog-Slime** · 02-13-2007, 01:16 PM

Well I believe it will help with EQ hairloss but most people would say that it is not necessary since EQ converts very little into DHB. But yes it should stop all that convert via the 5ar from converting.

**Angel of death** · 02-13-2007, 03:14 PM

bump, would like more responses

**Getbig06** · 02-13-2007, 03:25 PM

following this.... bump

**juicy_brucy** · 02-13-2007, 03:39 PM

no idea, but I want to know... bump

**hugovsilva** · 02-13-2007, 04:12 PM

Eq has a very low affinity to the 5ar enzyme, so running finasteride or duta will be a waste of money since convertion to dhb would be minimum. As for nandrolone , its is true that 5ar blockers prevent it from converting to DNH a much milder androgen, but if you think about it, deca is almost always ran with test (if not it should be) and if you runa fina/duta you will end up with test and nandrolone (this is oversimplifying it, but you understand what i mean) if you don't you will have DHT and DHN. his second option is far worse since nandrolone is still a much weaker androgen than dht.

**Angel of death** · 02-13-2007, 06:36 PM

Right, but running duta with eq wouldnt be a wast eof money in my case since Im about to use it year round...

**fatrock** · 02-13-2007, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by Angel of death

Well yeah it would be the same for both, whatever the verdict may be...

I Agree

**fatrock** · 02-13-2007, 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by duramaxedge

what about finastride too?

yes Finasteride is good but Dutastride is alot stronger and will do a better job of blocking hairloss.

**Getbig06** · 02-14-2007, 11:03 AM

I think running duta or fina year round is a bad idea... imo. there is no way that blocking dht for extended peroids of time is healthy.

**Angel of death** · 02-14-2007, 12:04 PM

Its been proved finnasteride is safe for long periods of time and I think dutasteride is in the process of being proved for that

**Angel of death** · 02-14-2007, 10:02 PM

bump

**DiabeticDynamo** · 03-20-2007, 10:43 PM

I cant add much to this, but I can say I have been taking finasteride since I was about 22, I am now 27, and I have had no long term effects. My hairline has stayed nearly exactly the same for the last 5 years, while my friends have lost most of theirs, even though I started losing hair before them. There are only 2 side effects that I have noticed.
1. Slight loss of libido, this is easily combated with trib, horny g, cialis, etc..
2. Slight water retention, again easily corrected.

My question is much like yours AOD, I am going to run fina for the long run, I am wondering which AAS is best for me. I would like to stay away from test, but I realize that will be hard. I dont want to do Deca , because if I dont take Fina, I will loose me hair.
So, would EQ with only Fina, be desireable?
Or does the similarities with Deca include the 5AR problem that comes into play when combining it with fina, thus making fina and EQ more prone to hairloss than without?

**Pooks** · 03-20-2007, 10:59 PM

I like this TOPICAL 5% SPIRO product..
basically and anti-adrogen, that u rub in your scalp.

I am definetly in the process of obtaining some..

i usually run TEST...

Get DUTA to take out most of 5AR.. leaving little DHT.. but.. DHT gets replaced by Testosterone ...
so 5% Spiro will be useful to use in the scalp area, to mimic test and bind to the receptors there in place of Test.

(other stuff i use, Nizoral, Rogaine.

I suppose in your case, EQ would be best.

for something someone else mentioned in this thread:
ROCHE cancelled its attempt to market DUTA as a hairloss product..
"However, industry sources speculate that the reason is commercial rather than medical: the suggestion is that trials were stopped because the maker thinks Dutasteride will be perceived as too similar to Propecia in consumers’ minds, and may not generate sufficient return on investment to justify the cost of approvals as a treatment for hair loss.

However, Dutasteride is approved by the US FDA and by European bodies for the treatment of BPH, and so has passed all relevant safety standards. "

**prealdeal** · 03-20-2007, 11:13 PM

i was under the thought that nizoral eod would be good im going 2 be doing 500 teste1-13 600 eq1-12 dbol 50mg 1-4 liqdex .25 ed maybe some tren not sure on that then some tes prop 14-16 then pct clomd 100 m a day 4 weeks im 38 still have a good amount of hair have did several cycles before but not this much stuff at once what should i take besides the nizoral