Short Cycle, Test prop/npp

[strapon]

Hi all!
I´m about to start doing short cycles for a while (3 on 3-4 of, 4 on 4-6 of) and I got test prop, NPP and Dbol to use!

Stats:
24
6.1 (186cm)
200 pounds (91kg)
15-16% BF

Cycle history: 2 x (10mg dbol/d 60 days)

Been training since I was around 19, but it was most for strengt for my sports, not for lbm purpose.
Been taking it more serious last 1½ year with good diet and training plans!

Diet:
P: 2,2-2,5 g/kg bodyweight (not lbm)
F: 0,5-1 g/kg bodyweight (not lbm)
C: Enough to allways reach surplus
3000 calories/d (Clean food!)

Goals: Put on lbm and as little BF as possible, rather loose some of course!

Proposed cycle #1:
weeks: 3-4
100mg prop eod
100mg npp eod
30mg dbol?

Proposed cycle #2:
Weeks: 3-4
150mg prop eod
30mg dbol

Proposed cycle #3:
Weeks: 3-4
150mg prop eod
100mg npp eod
dbol?

PCT:
Week 1: 40mg Nolva + Creatine
Week 2&3: 20mg Nolva + Creatine
Week 4: Creatin

RESTART with new modified cycle!

After this I consider another short cycle for another bulking, gears will be decided during PCT weeks!

I´ve read alot about this short cycles, but I cant really decide what to run exactly and I will decide in week 3 if 4 weeks will be doable.
I also know npp can be a problem with recovery but I´ve read enough to be willing to try this out and I dont think the time on and the dosage should be a problem for serious sides.

My earlier dbol cycles did give me pretty descent gains, but I got pretty bad lower back pumps, will this be worse if I would use higher dosage of dbol?

Now PLEASE give me the best of help you can give and try to stay on the subject

Thanks!
/Strapon

[trenzbyotch]

well honestly it don't look so good. that ain't much gear especially for a shorty. at minimum i would run those doses daily, not EOD and also 4-6 weeks (3 weeks prop at 350mg/week 3 weeks npp at 350mg/week ain't gonna do much)

[strapon]

well honestly it don't look so good. that ain't much gear especially for a shorty. at minimum i would run those doses daily, not EOD and also 4-6 weeks (3 weeks prop at 350mg/week 3 weeks npp at 350mg/week ain't gonna do much)

Thanks for the answer!

trenzbyotch, have you got any experience of short cycles, if so, what did you use? dosage? result?

This will be my first injection cycle, and also my first serious cycle, thats why I didnt want to go to high in dosage, trying to stay around 4 weeks will probably being like quitting when the gear is starting to show good gains Im aware of that, but I want to do this short ones due to recovery and health issues, as many states and I think ED injections is abit to harsh for me yet.

Maybe you are right about this, my real goal is to be able to make a big difference in my body composition so what more thoughts/advices do you guys have?
Anyone done similar cycle before, and does everyone agree with trenzbyotch?

[dhriscerr]

I don't know if your going to like injecting eod for your first cycle either, I dont mind injections but i also only take 2 a week, I think ill do fine with it however some people dont like it. Plus prop can hurt but probably not to much at the low doses your talking. Id look at cycle 3 but change it to more like 6-8 weeks. But I haven't done a short cycle so wait on someone else.

[strapon]

I don't know if your going to like injecting eod for your first cycle either, I dont mind injections but i also only take 2 a week, I think ill do fine with it however some people dont like it. Plus prop can hurt but probably not to much at the low doses your talking. Id look at cycle 3 but change it to more like 6-8 weeks. But I haven't done a short cycle so wait on someone else.

Im prepared for some pain for sure and I will try to minimize it by a few simple steps I been reading about:
1. Hot shower before injection.
2. Heat the oil before inject.
3. Inject slowly!
4. Massage the area after.

I also will have some help injecting first week by a nurse so it shouldnt be a problem.

First post edited somewhat!

[strapon]

Im also open for suggestions up to 6 weeks cycle with this gears that I got! It all comes down to what sides I will get

[rise2gr8ness]

EAt like a giant and train heavy with gr8 form never let the weight rest (constant tension) and you can add nearly 50 lbs in 5 weeks,

short cycles are the best idea ever. low sides and gr8 gains if you stay very focused and train like animal, push yourself to the absolute limit for a little over a month and your results can be amazing

i think even 30 day cycles can be really good, its all about you!

[dhriscerr]

EAt like a giant and train heavy with gr8 form never let the weight rest (constant tension) and you can add nearly 50 lbs in 5 weeks,

short cycles are the best idea ever. low sides and gr8 gains if you stay very focused and train like animal, push yourself to the absolute limit for a little over a month and your results can be amazing

i think even 30 day cycles can be really good, its all about you!

Might be a bit Optimistic

[strapon]

Hehe, it seems a abit optimistic, but I really think that short cycles is interesting and want to give it a try and of course eat and train like an animal

I got flexible work with my own decided schedule, so I can really put 100% into it! Will focus on training the upper body twice aweek and do about 3 days of cardio to keep BF where it is or hopefully get rid of some!

What about this:

wk 1-(4,5,6 depending on results and sides!)
150mg prop eod
100mg npp eod
30mg dbol/d ??? (will pump in lower back be a bigger problem with higher dosage if I got it from 10mg/d?)

How do you experienced users eat during a cycle when you aim to loose some BF during a bulk or at least keep it where it is?
How much calories over maintanance?
And how often do you do cardio every week?

[strapon]

Bump for experienced guys!

[Son Of Khadafi]

The thread is a day old, why are you bumping it?

[Son Of Khadafi]

I would use the search button up top.

You prob want to start with like 500mg test/wk
enanthate would be your best best, but if your intent on taking a short cycle
use 75mg prop ED

[strapon]

I been using the search button for over a year now and now I felt it was time to ask for advice.

prop 75mg ed should be as effective as 150mg eod except a small difference in blood levels.

what do you think of adding 30mg dbol/d?

Last dbol cycle with only 10mg/d in the morning, made me get pretty bad back pump after I worked out my back. Will it be worse with higher dosage of dbol? Any thoughts?

[J*U*icEd]

amoung other things you need a better PCT then that.... for starters clomid should be included

[strapon]

amoung other things you need a better PCT then that.... for starters clomid should be included

I will study the "perfect" PCT for the coming weeks to be sure, thanks!

Ok guys, I´ve decided, since it will be my first inject cycle and I am not in hurry and I really want to learn how my body responds, I´ve decided to just go a Test prop - cycle!

I dont want to inject more then eod for this cycle so which dose is preferable:
#1: 150mg eod (525mg/w)
#2: 200mg eod (700mg/w)

Frontload???

If I choose #1, will 30mg dbol/d (4wk´s) be good to add without problems, or should I be satisfied without?

If I choose #2 should I add anything at all or is it just to much for a first time cycle?

One more thing!
I had lowerback pump problems with my dbol 10mg/d cycle, will I for sure get it again from a higher dose?

Thanks guys!

[strapon]

Ok guys, I made my descision:

Prop 150mg EOD!

After 4 weeks I will analyze my gains and decide If I will keep going a few more weeks.

How much calories over maintanance do you guys eat if your goal is to put on lbm with as little bf as possible?

Will up my protein to 250-300/d!

Any thoughts?

[dhriscerr]

I think Prop at 150 EOD is perfect for your first cycle. 700mgs a week is a bit high. Also by week 2 you will be feeling it so why throw in dbol? Especially if you have bad back pumps? Good choice, id stick with it.

[trenzbyotch]

aright strap, 150 eod prop is good but i would still consider going six weeks minimum..

[trin2getswole]

I think Prop at 150 EOD is perfect for your first cycle. 700mgs a week is a bit high. Also by week 2 you will be feeling it so why throw in dbol? Especially if you have bad back pumps? Good choice, id stick with it.

agree

[strapon]

thanks for your help guys, I will consider 6 weeks for sure! Will do my second shot tonight, but tbh, Im alittle anxious because I really have bad pain in my right glute, been hard moving sides while sleeping and jumping in and out of the car, limping, hehe

I found a thread about baking the prop, but I didnt understand it fully, do I just put my 10ml vial in the oven at 220-250 degrees for 15-30 mins, and when it cooled of I hopefully get much less pain? Also, I just have 21G needle as biggest.
I acctually forgot to warm the oil for the first shot, but I doubt doing that wont be much of a help compared to baking or using sterile oil with the inject?

Help pls

[trenzbyotch]

yea, don't bake it bro just cut with a little sterile oil

[strapon]

Why not bake it?

I dont have any sterile oil at home, where can I get it?
I read its grapeseed oil or EO oil that should be used, and what does EO stand for?

[strapon]

Ok guys, I need some advice!

I knew that prop would hurt but I didnt know It would make me almost paralyzed (not really but damn close ), haha.

Tonight I will do my second shot and I been reading about how to make it less painful. I made a few mistakes when I did the first injection:
I forgot to heat the oil before injection and I think I didnt inject slow enough (1,5cc, 100mg/ml concentration, took about 1 minute to inject!)

My questions:

1. How do I heat the oil best way and for how long?
2. How much time should I wait after heating it?
3. How slow should I inject 1,5cc, 2-3min or more?
4. Can I inject beside the last injectionspot (right glute), if so, how much space between?

Please help me out!

[trenzbyotch]

i told you to get some sterile oil..lol click on the banner in the upper right hand corner of this page... i believe they have it.. i heat my sauce up with hot water from the tap, inject slowly say 30 count, and i wouldn't inject in the same muscle more then 1x per week

[strapon]

i told you to get some sterile oil..lol click on the banner in the upper right hand corner of this page... i believe they have it.. i heat my sauce up with hot water from the tap, inject slowly say 30 count, and i wouldn't inject in the same muscle more then 1x per week

Haha, I live in sweden, dont think I can get the stuff fast enough to be effective and cheap enough.

Guys believe me, I need to make some changes to make it work, it really hurts, even though I think it feels alittle better now then for 7-10 hours ago.

I read that many says to cut the prop with another compound, maybe I should add NPP anyway.

Help me out please!

[strapon]

Ok guys!

I read about injecting in ventrogluteal (glutal medius) and I was nervous like hell because it was a new spot and I was all alone, but I think it went well!

Been sleeping now and I can feel some soreness but so far not even close as bad as my first inject in the gluteus maximus!

Will update later on how it feels!

[strapon]

Soreness is the same as the first shot tbh, but ventrogluteal injection is much better because it doesnt effect movements as bad!

Tonight I think delt will be shot because if I do quad I wont be able to walk for sure

Will try to massage the area for a few minutes this time to see if it will help.

[MASSA]

How does it feel budy ? The power ? We want details ?

[strapon]

Im starting week 6 now just returning from a BAD flu (not by the prop), appetite havnt been great but I been drinking alot of shakes to keep protein high, I still managed to put on 2lbs during the flu week, surprised!
Total Im up 11 lbs and my strengt and stamina is increased good too, but I had pretty bad appetite thrue the whole cycle.

Sides known:
Small increase of bodyhair
Little more agressive on things, but not to people.
More horny, but I thought it was impossible because Im an animal normaly too

[Mooseman33]

thanks for keeping me informed, thinking of hitting a 6-8 week cycle of testp, hows the pain been eod

[Drummerboy]

Ive run that exact cycle, with great success. If you can stand it, shoot every day. If not, EOD is fine. You dont need so much NPP. 100mg TP and 75mg NPP ed with 30mg dbol ED is great. Run for 8 weeks. 6 will work too.

[strapon]

Ok guys, Im on PCT now, I did 6 weeks total and the last 2 weeks I have put on some real mass, Im up total of 16.5lbs and the strengt has gone up very much, but my shoulder is abit sore now from all the benchpress, watch out guys when you increase weight fast!

The pain was really bad first 3 weeks, was limping bad, but because I decided to do gluteusmedius injections instead of glutes maximus I manage to keep going, I only did the first shot in maximus and Im not sure I could have stand that pain.

I´ll report more how the pct is going, Im taking 20mg of nolva/day + ZMA + Creatine now.