very worried.

[iceman101]

i was on 70mg / ed of test prop for 17 days. i had small signs of gyno on my right pec. i dont wish to continue my cycle. i have taken 60 mgs of nolva on days 17 ,18 and 19 which is today. i have clomid on hand and letro coming maybe tomorrow or tuesday i hope forsure. what is the best way to go about quitting with the best chance of no gyno! please help and thank you very much!

[dhriscerr]

Run Clomid at 50mgs, Nolva at 20mgs and Letro at .25 but I dont know if your suppose to run Nolva and Letro together? I think one hinders the other ones job. You should look into aromasin as the AI instead. Letro is more for reversing gyno. But you can't reverse it and be on PCT at the same time, and since you already started PCT this becomes complicated. Try to find a C Bino thread and read his Gyno Thread in his signature on his page.

[iceman101]

as long as it dont get anyworse im happy. should i take the clomid? i read his gyno tread. what should i do then?

[iceman101]

to reverse it i have to mid cycle right?

[Motobro]

C Bino is the authority on Gyno!

[dhriscerr]

Once your 3 days off Propionate its not going to make it worse. Especially if you've run Nolva. I misenturprated your first thread and thought you had already started PCT but you only started Nolva and have other things on hand. If you ran Nolva and its day 3 and your fine with where your at as far as the gyno, run Clomid and start PCT.

[iceman101]

the clomid will help stop it in its tracks also correct?

[Motobro]

Iceman exactly what signs are you experiencing?

[iceman101]

ive always had a bit of a bump under that nipple. right now my left nipple and peck a perfectly fine. the one that is worrying me about the gyno. seems to have gotten a bit more puffy then normal and a bit tender to the touch. it always kinda was. but it seems a bit more then it was before if that makes any sense.

[iceman101]

are my options...

start clomid and keep running nolva and it will stay where it is?

or dont start the clomid and run the cycle longer with letro?

[iceman101]

well im gonna head off to bed but i will check again in about 6 hours when i wake up. i was gonna plan on starting the clomid tomorrow and run it with nolva if the gyno should stay where it is. its not bad yet and if it stays where it is i will be very happy. suggestions are welcome on what my options are. i dont not want to continue the cycle though. im just looking for the safest way out. thanks everyone for their time!

[Erwin]

Was this your first cycle? If not what have you used in your PCT's before? Ever experience anything like this before? Why don't you want to continue your cycle?

[bigwillystyle]

you dont need to take the clomid,letro and nolva all at once,
as soon as you get the letro start taking .25mcgs first day the up it .25mcgs until you reach 2.5mcgs, once you feel your symptoms subside, start cycling the letro back down until you reach .25mcgs again.(you dont have to stop your cycle while on letro but thats up to you). run the letro at .25mcgs a day for five more days, then you can run a little nolva say 20mgs for 2 weeks
(nolva will get the estrogen back to normal levels)


bws

[iceman101]

this is my first cycle. i dont want to end up with tits in the end. i dont wanna dig deeper and deeper and get myself into something i cnat get out of. its not worth it in my mind. my last test shot was on friday. today is the day i should start clomid. can you use letro when ur not on a cycle?

[shredzs]

ur first cycle??
on for only 17 days.
20mg nolva for 3 weeks youl be fine!!

[iceman101]

shredz should i use some clomid too you think? or just stick with the nolva?

[shredzs]

you could throw in clomid at 50mg ed but its not really necessary, you were only on for 17 days and its your first cycle.
dont need to waste your money on letro or clomid imo.
your 3 days out, keep takin nolva for a cpl of weeks and youl be fine
the prop is pretty much out of your system now
its active life is only 3 days

[iceman101]

i already have the clomid so it not really a waste of money to me.

[shredzs]

in my opinion you should finish your cycle
in that case take letro only at.25 to .5 mg ed
if you see signs of gyno, taper letro up to 2.5mg ed until signs of gyno r gone for 3-4 days then taper back down to slightly higher than you were running before, like .75 to 1mg ed till the end of your cycle.
when cycle is over switch to 20mg nolva ed and 50 mg clomid ed for 21 days

[shredzs]

if you cant get letro, just run 20mg ed of nolva for the rest of your cycle right through pct
i am very prone to gyno, and both of the following work for me every time, even with much more than 70mg prop!

[iceman101]

i did order the letro. its not here yet though. id rather just get it all over with and not have to worry about it anymore.

[iceman101]

right now im thinking to just talk 20 mg of nolva for the next couple weeks.

[dhriscerr]

Yeah Man, Id finish the cycle, if you start running letro while your on, you should be fine and it might even reverse what you have, then just save nolva and clomid for the PCT, or run Nolva at 20mgs ed until the cycle is done then go on to pct. If you start hitting up Nolva, or Letro now its not going to get worse.

[shredzs]

Yeah Man, Id finish the cycle, if you start running letro while your on, you should be fine and it might even reverse what you have, then just save nolva and clomid for the PCT, or run Nolva at 20mgs ed until the cycle is done then go on to pct. If you start hitting up Nolva, or Letro now its not going to get worse.

agreed

[iceman101]

alright well thank you very much guys for all your input and help. i think what im gonna do is continue to take the nolva for now. if the letro gets here by later torday or tomorrow i may continue to run the cycle.i think im going to dicontinue the cycle though. the letro reversing it is only a possibility. id rather it not go any further then to try to reverse it. for letro there is a rebound after ur done taking it too isnt there? so after the letro id be depending on the nolva a gain to keep the gyno off

[spywizard]

the clomid will help stop it in its tracks also correct?

clomid restores sperm production..

[iceman101]

right and b ring my natural test levels back. my main concern it just to avoid any more gyno

[shredzs]

yeah u need nolva after you stop letro, but if you taper off correctly you wont have any probs.
letro will definetly reverse your gyno since you are acting upon it right away

[iceman101]

humm alright. well for now im just gonna talk the nolva till the letro arrives. it should be here pretty soon. but you never know lol

[Erwin]

Why not finish the cycle though? I am also prone to gyno and I get a touch of it whne I am on even when running letro. After my cycle and proper PCT I have no signs of gyno and it isn't really obvious when I am on unless my wife hits my tit or something.JMO-Erwin

[shredzs]

Why not finish the cycle though? I am also prone to gyno and I get a touch of it whne I am on even when running letro. After my cycle and proper PCT I have no signs of gyno and it isn't really obvious when I am on unless my wife hits my tit or something.JMO-Erwin

same here