Dbol or OT

[Bidyah]

There's seems to be a lot of topics recently on dbol only cycles.
First off, Hello to everyone, I am currently in Germany. I am taking of from college etc. And I have plenty of time to concentrate on lifting. I figured I might use this chance to run my first cycle.
I am nearly 22, 178lbs, 5'10 (I have a shorter leg so I just went for the middle, lol) and I'm about 16-19% BF ... (but it's just a guess, I used to be for my injury about 13%...Acl, meniscus)

Now, I decided against Needles, not because I am afraid of them, I mean most certainly I wouldn't get excited over injecting but I am neither afraid. I just dont see where I would hide the stack of needles etc. from my mom and gf.
It just seems too complicated to hide all those needles (and I don't really have anywhere to hide the stuff, and yes I live currently with my mom in germany).

So I was thinking about Dbol or Oturanabol with Nolva on hand for pct plus against tittis, liv52 (pct). And just make my first experience with gear...

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Please, don't flame me, I'm just looking for advice.

[pwerfll1]

whats up bro read the thead by afigs oral only cycle

[InsaneInTheMembrane]

At 16-19% BF, taking dbol is a recipe for disaster. You'll be packing on water and fat along with the muscle and you could start looking like the michelin man. Furthermore, your pct with nolva is not good enough...dbol, especially without test (which is fine if it's your choice, but just saying...) will shut u down hard and fast... OT is a milder version of dbol minus side estrogenic effects...so I would opt for OT although you should try getting yourself down to 10-12 BF naturally first, get diet in order and read up and reconsider your pct...also, how are you planning to be on either and at what dosage?

cheers mate

P.S. Research some more on PCT and oral only cycles..you need it bro!

[Bidyah]

whats up bro read the thead by afigs oral only cycle

I did
that's why i said a lot of topics...

Oh, yea I forgot to mention that I would cut first. Efedrin and cardio (and of course proper diet). Already have my plans laid out

So, you would opt for OT (which wouldn't bloat me as well).

Edit:@insaneinthemembrane (difficulty reading your post w/o periods and such): I thought I had researched enough. Would you recommend Clomid rather than nolva?
I haven't decided on the exact dosages just yet. I have decided to pyramid cycle dbol or now I'm considering:


OT I would cycle
1week 30mg (ed)
2week 40mg
3week 50mg
4week 50mg
5week 40mg
6week 25mg
Something like that I would also have to see how my body responds wheter I get bad heaaches, nosebleed etc. According to that I would UP my dose but no more than 75mg.

[Bidyah]

50-75-100-75-50-25 mg ed
This is the amount a buddy of mine took.

[Hellmaskbanned]

Whats with the pyrimding of doses.

If anything ramp up slowly if no sides experience, not back down.

Perfect OT run is,

60mgs/day for 8 weeks.

[Old man]

Don't listen to these guys.... Hellmask ist ein dumkopft!

As rotund as you are.Take Anavar.
Hey that would make a good jingle!

Seriously volks. Tbol ist fur ein girlieman.
Anavar will help lean you out. AND give you twice the strength of Tbol.

VAR 60mg ED for 6-8 weeks.

[Hellmaskbanned]

Don't listen to these guys.... Hellmask ist ein dumkopft!

As rotund as you are.Take Anavar.
Hey that would make a good jingle!

Seriously volks. Tbol ist fur ein girlieman.
Anavar will help lean you out. AND give you twice the strength of Tbol.

VAR 60mg ED for 6-8 weeks.

[Bidyah]

Haha, so far I didn't think of Hellmask as a dummkopf

@Hellmask
So, there's no need to cycle down? I dunno that's how a buddy of mine did it... I figured by his looks he knew his stuff (I know, I can't go by that :P)

Haha, thanks I know my damn acl injury made me rotund... but now since I can kind of do exercise again it shouldn't be a problem!

My choice of source doesn't have anavar... :-\
But I might be able to get it somewhere else...
Var:
1. expensive
2. smaller gains than OT (I read...)
3. my UGL doesn't have it
are the only positives that it would help me get lean muscle? So does OT doesn't it? And the fact that it is mild on the liver...

Can I get some more opinions on whether Dbol/Tbol(OT)/var(oxa)

[Old man]

Hellmask is my idol. I was just kidding.

If you can't get Anavar, then Tbol over Dbol, FOR SURE.

However, you know the drill. It's more about lifting very seriously, and religiously.
Plus cardio 3/4 times a week to burn off that extra bratwurst.

Diet is critical. Meat, meat and meat. Beef, chicken, turkey, fish, tuna from a can. Add some quality carbs like brown rice, oatmeal. Fresh fruits and veggies. Sugar, salt and fat are the enemy. Eat every 2 hours.

The very last piece of the puzzle is Steroids. They only do about 1/3 of the work.

Run Tbol 20mg in the morning. 20mg after lunch= 40mg/ED for 8 weeks.
Tbol works differently on everybody. It's one of the very best oral aas, especially for your situation. good luck, bro.

[Bidyah]

Hellmask is my idol. I was just kidding.

Diet is critical. Meat, meat and meat. Beef, chicken, turkey, fish, tuna from a can. Add some quality carbs like brown rice, oatmeal. Fresh fruits and veggies. Sugar, salt and fat are the enemy. Eat every 2 hours.

The very last piece of the puzzle is Steroids. They only do about 1/3 of the work.

Run Tbol 20mg in the morning. 20mg after lunch= 40mg/ED for 8 weeks.
Tbol works differently on everybody. It's one of the very best oral aas, especially for your situation. good luck, bro.

Haha, yea I figured.

Yes, of course, I have nothing in the kitchen but low fat, high protein and complex carbs.
I eat every 2-3 hours.

40 sounds very low... even hellmask was saying 60 ... I guess I'd make that dependant upon the symptoms!? I heard tbol gives you easily headaches, problems with the nose and such (minor) things.
I do like the fact that Oxa cuts and is easier on the liver, I might get it if I can't get it for a decent price.

What should I use as PCT for Tbol? I'd have nolva on hand (even though tbol hardly aromatizes, better safe than sorry :P) and use it in combination with clomid as PCT? And then Maybe some Clen for cutting? As a side question how often do cramps occur with Clen? (I heard quite frequently... I'll have to research that)

I appreciate your help, Man.

[Bidyah]

I will probably go with a dbol only cylce. Since I don't want to use liquid OT. I'll use Nolva for aromatizing and as PCT. 40-50mg Nolva the first week and 20mg the next three weeks. At the end of the cylce I will use Clen to shape back up.
How should I dose? I was thinking
1st week 20mg
2-3 week 30mg
4-7 week 40mg

How should I dose it throughout the day? All at once, or throughout the day?

[canyonbyker]

At 16-19% BF, taking dbol is a recipe for disaster. You'll be packing on water and fat along with the muscle and you could start looking like the michelin man. Furthermore, your pct with nolva is not good enough...dbol, especially without test (which is fine if it's your choice, but just saying...) will shut u down hard and fast... OT is a milder version of dbol minus side estrogenic effects...so I would opt for OT although you should try getting yourself down to 10-12 BF naturally first, get diet in order and read up and reconsider your pct...also, how are you planning to be on either and at what dosage?

cheers mate

P.S. Research some more on PCT and oral only cycles..you need it bro!

Amen to this! Get rid of the fat homeboy! About the needles, if ur on a beginner cycle, u would only be injecting once a week (I suppose). I live with my parents too, I hide my needles in a secure metal box that only i could open (with a lock code). I shoot up after a shower early morning when everyone is asleep.

P.S.
If your girlfriend really loves you, she'll support you 100 percent on the juice! lol IMO

[Bidyah]

I haven't checked my BF I just guessed but I think I guessed on the high side... anyway, I just want to check it out you know, before I get commited with needles. I am afraid they would want to know what is in the Box.