Thinking of adding a bit or Tren

[shockwavematty]

I was going to do a winny only cycle (My first cycle) , im low body fat fit etc etc...

I havent dont much reading up on Tren but after doingsome research im considering chasing up a vile...What do you guys thing of doing Tren then towards the end of the cycle adding the stanozol (Winny)....I was looking to gain a little mass but also wanted the hard ripped look and this seems like pretty good to me..

[Kale]

What is your age, stats, and cycle experience

[marcus300]

Winny only first cycle= NO
Tren only first cycle= NO
winny and tren first cycle=NO

For more information on regards what cycle would be best for you please post your stats and training history?

[shockwavematty]

I have been a semi pro/pro kickboxer for past 5 years , im 27 low body fat as i have been doing mainly cardio work and work to that goes along with kickboxing have been doing weight training for past 2 years but nothing major as the kickboxing has taken up pretty much every spare hour ive had.....Have decided to take give away kickboxing and hit the gym as am sick of getting broken noses... Im obviously very fit toned and have a naturally athletic.muscular build , body fat is around 11 - 13 % range....Looking to gain more muscle but do want the ripped muscle look not the water retention look...

I have 2 viles of stanazol at moment and was thinking of adding another to bulk up...

Im not looking to add huge uge muscle and mass but would like a nice decent cycle..

[shockwavematty]

Why wouldnt you recomend a winny 1st cycle marcus ??

[Bigmax]

you wont bulk from winny much bro...not to mention it can shut you down(endogenous Test)And it will be hell on your sex life.

[magic32]

Marcus and Big are right.
Please do some more reading before running anything:
http://forums.steroid.com/forumdisplay.php?f=104

M.

[nrobleski]

winny is just bunk anyways man...what do you mean by vials?? 10ml 20mls,,, i hope not one ml

[Jefferey]

TESTOSTERONE ONLY

[armbar83]

hey i train kickboxing/mma/bjj and winny and tren were terrible for me while trainning. i didnt do them together (thank god) and they were both hard on my joints, especially tren. tren was also hard on my cardio, its more of a bodybuilders steroid, not so good for athletes. if i had it to do all over again, id run test only and if i had to throw something else in there, some anavar...good luck...

[shockwavematty]

20 mls .......Im planning on doin winny on its own , i havent heard of it been able to shut you down amd give u the sex life problem , more info anyone ???

[hugovsilva]

It shuts you down. Not as badly as some other compounds, but it supresses test production. I would recomend a test only cicle if this is your first, but you really want to run the winny, run test at at lest 250mg/week and add winny at the end.

[SMAN12b]

Winny is also terrible on the joints as it drys you out very much.

If you are not going to take the advice of the VERY knowledgeable people here that are trying to HELP you, then why bother asking?????

have you read the profile on winny??? here read

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199794

[Beefkake31]

20 mls .......Im planning on doin winny on its own , i havent heard of it been able to shut you down amd give u the sex life problem , more info anyone ???

Yes, but they just told you that it does so why would you repeat that? They are mods and vets too so I don't know why you would want more info on this. Maybe if it was a guy with 10 posts who just joined and said that then fine but that's not the case. It's like you don't believe them or don't want to believe them because you have the winny ready to go and I know it is tempting but it's just not a smart idea. Just trying to help, you can do a test only cycle and adjusting your diet you can achieve whatever you want with it.