Cycle #3 Critique

**IIIIIIIIIIII** · 02-20-2007, 10:25 PM

So i have done test only and test + anadrol cycles in the past. I am looking for something with more quality muscle and less water... I however do want to incorporate Deca to assist with some ligament/tendon issues. I originally was thinking:

weeks 1-25 (yes this is going to be a bit long)

Test E 500MG weekly

weeks 1-18

Deca 600MG weekly

I am running the test longer so i dont have a lag while i wait for the deca to clear out... I enjoy having erections...

I also considered mixing winny and Deca, howveer i am a bit worried about not having test in there...

My pct is taken care of (doctor supervision + experience from previous cycles and helpful forum members ;] )

and arimidex or nolva may be used during the cycle if i start retaining excess water... anyways any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated

**IIIIIIIIIIII** · 02-20-2007, 10:51 PM

Bump

**SMAN12b** · 02-20-2007, 10:57 PM

Why such a long cycle?

You will notice your gains will stop around week 10 or so.

If you want a great cycle with those compounds and winny, maybe consider

Weeks 1-12 Test E @ 500/week (frontload the first week with 1000mgs)
Weeks 1-10 Deca @ 400/week ( I say 400 instead of 600 cause you said your looking for less water, you will still get some at 400 though)
Weeks 9-14 Winny @ 50-100 mgs ED

Personally I would run the arimidex throughout the cycle

**IIIIIIIIIIII** · 02-20-2007, 11:01 PM

really.. i noticed my last cycle that my gains were solid up until atleast week 14... well i got a 50ml bottle so i guess i can put the rest away for future use =[... my main purpose of the long cycle was to carry me thru the summer at peak physique and aid with metablosim and hardness

**SMAN12b** · 02-20-2007, 11:13 PM

hey, feel free to extend the cycle as long as you are still making gains! Just keep an eye on it as there is no sense in extending and wasting gear if you are done growing for that cycle.

just follow the format that I laid out for you.

Run the winny the last 6 weeks and 2 weeks past the last test shot to match PCT timing
Cut the deca two weeks before the last Test E for the same reason

let us know how it goes

**IIIIIIIIIIII** · 02-20-2007, 11:18 PM

Sounds good.. so if i decide to dump the winny out you think ill be alright? I mean I do retain water typically but that had mostly been to shitty dieting.. ym diet so clean now its sickening.. i was eating carrots and celery with my protein shake on the subway home =[ someone laughed at me... but **** them, im thin they aren't =]

I may actually just lean up a bit, more towards 8% fat before i take the test and deca ... i mean winny is expensive and i just dont feel like eating 12 pills a day =[

**SMAN12b** · 02-20-2007, 11:21 PM

the winny at the end is mostly to dry you out and harden you up. You are fine to let it out of this cycle. Run the AI throughout to help with the water and like you said, its all about the diet. so you should be fine

**IIIIIIIIIIII** · 02-20-2007, 11:27 PM

sweeeet =]

**GFLEXXX** · 02-20-2007, 11:28 PM

and how would you like your physique to be next summer? you realise that you would need better part of 9 months off in between this cycle and your next time you start (that is if your PCT works after the first time after being on for 25weeks)....which if you started today for this summer, next summer you wouldn't be starting until June sometime...way too long imo..

if you want to keep water down and have linear quality gains scrap the deca and look good anabolics like Mast/Primo/TBol/Var, u can even lower your test if you want....i.e.

Test 1-12 250 EW
OT 1-4 50-60mg ED
Mast/Primo 5-12 500-600mg EW

you'll look hard throughout with some nice quality gains...

**trenzbyotch** · 02-21-2007, 09:07 AM

how about some stats boston bro??

**IIIIIIIIIIII** · 02-21-2007, 09:54 AM

what is OT?

I considered masteron and test.. about 500mg of each per week... for about 14 weeks...

anyways.. im 21, 5'10 around 205 now and about 13% fat, (will be around 8 or so when i start this cycle) I just came back from a shoulder injusry so im not at my peak =[

I want to put on some decent mass, while staying hard...i like the muscle fiber look with more poof and less ripped.. I enjoy being vascular, and I am naturally.

Masteron may be a good idea actually