Cycle Input

[Adrenalin]

Plan on doing the following 10 week cycle

Wk 1 - 10 (Sust 250) Every week
Wk 1 - 12 (Prop 100 mgs) EOD
Wk 1 - 10 (Deca 300 mgs) Every week

Nolvodex 20 mg as needed

Wk 12 - 14 Nolvodex 40 mgs ED

Not planning on doing until April, as I want to have everything lined up.

Age: 38
Weight: 206
BF: 15%
Years lifting: 10

[Kale]

How many cycles have you done ? thats 750mg a week of Test averaging four shots a week of the Prop

[Adrenalin]

This will be 3rd cycle.

2nd cycle was a complete balls up! Didnt have all gear together, so Sust and Deca were not started together (also very questionable on legit gear). Finished off doing 12 weeks with Test Eth at the end for 5 weeks with great strength gains. Now I'm doing PCT and giving a break until April.

As far as Prop... it seems like a lot, so I might do an extra 200 mgs on top of Sust 250 (which puts me around 300mgs Prop per week)

[Kale]

This will be 3rd cycle.

2nd cycle was a complete balls up! Didnt have all gear together, so Sust and Deca were not started together (also very questionable on legit gear). Finished off doing 12 weeks with Test Eth at the end for 5 weeks with great strength gains. Now I'm doing PCT and giving a break until April.

As far as Prop... it seems like a lot, so I might do an extra 200 mgs on top of Sust 250 (which puts me around 300mgs Prop per week)

550mg a week is a better number if you have been off foe a while. The cycle is fine. My question would be why mix the Prop and the Sust ? If it was me and you are prepared to shoot it EOD I would ditch the sust and stick with the Prop on its own, and Deca of course

[Seattle Junk]

Prop wk 1 - 12? Don't need that. You just need the prop for a jump start for wk 1-4 until blood levels build up from the sust. Go with 500mgs ew on the sust and go to 400-500mgs ew of the deca. If you're gonna do it, do it right.

[Adrenalin]

Thanks for the input.

Seems I'm finally getting it right. As far as ditching the Sus and just doing Prop, well I really wanted to avoid doing EOD injections if possible... also a bit cost prohibitive right now. (Things are expensive and rare in the land of Oz). So you have to work with what you can get your hands on.

What advice do you have for post cycle regimes? I've been maintaining my protein around the same as when on cycle. Strength hasn't diminished, which is good. Trying to keep my workouts intense (around 1 hour).

Also, is it advisable to supplement with Creatine, L-Glutamine while on cycle. I think it's important off cycle, but didn't know about those two while on?

[Kale]

Thanks for the input.

Seems I'm finally getting it right. As far as ditching the Sus and just doing Prop, well I really wanted to avoid doing EOD injections if possible... also a bit cost prohibitive right now. (Things are expensive and rare in the land of Oz). So you have to work with what you can get your hands on.

What advice do you have for post cycle regimes? I've been maintaining my protein around the same as when on cycle. Strength hasn't diminished, which is good. Trying to keep my workouts intense (around 1 hour).

Also, is it advisable to supplement with Creatine, L-Glutamine while on cycle. I think it's important off cycle, but didn't know about those two while on?

I am from Oz as well dude But I live in Singapore now. Dont understand. You will be doing EOD injections according to your first post. Here is a quick read on PCT

Pheedno's PCT
My post cycle therapy consists of a three compound administration which is designed so that there is a primary and secondary LH stimulator which both are maximizing potential early in the duration; with the primary being phased out in extended protocol. With the addition of an Aromatase Inhibitor, which makes the above possible, the individual will also endure less of an increase in Sex Hormone Binding Globulin, which allows free testosterone levels to reach base line at a much quicker pace. The individual will also see less of a problem in most cases with sexual libido as the bounding SHBG is controlled(to an extent). Below you will find my suggested bare minimum, as well as a sample of an extended protocol. Extended PCT protcol is cycle length dependant so the below is not the standard for all cycles


PCT for cycles 8-16wks:
Day 1-30- .25mg L-dex + 100mg Clomid + 20mg Nolva

Extended protocol sample for a 12+ month cycle:
Day 1-15_ .25mg L-dex + 100mg Clomid + 20mg Nolva
Day 16-45_.25mg L-dex + 75mg Clomid + 20mg Nolva
Day 46-65_.25mg L-dex + 20mg Nolva
Day 66-80_.25mg L-dex

Now IMO, selective estrogen receptor modulators(SERMs) such as Clomiphine and Tamoxifen are selective to which tissues they bind too. Clomid being selective to the suprapituitary, while Tamox is selective to breast, bone, and liver ERs. I've come to this conclusion based on the comparison of studies on both SERMs. In every study showing benefit to HPTA from tamoxifin, the duration of the administration is 3-12months(This includes studies cited by William Llewellyn in his Nolva vs Clomid article). In studies showing levels of LH, FSH, and Testosterone checked after short durations of tamox, they were either insignificant, or their was an actual drop. I believe this is because tamox selectively works at the mammery(as well as bone and liver), thus taking longer for LH stimulation to occur.
With clomid, benefit to gonadotrophin concentrations, LH, FSH, and serum testosterone can be seen in short periods of 2-6wks. Because of the apparent selective nature of the two, and given our usual PCT duration, clomid is by far superior at LH stimulation than Nolva. Now both is the wise choice for a couple of reasons:

1. Nolva acts as the preventive measure to the estrogen flux
occured PC while clomid is the primary LH stimulator(Even more so in the case an AI is not used).
2. If your running a longer PCT, clomid needs to be discontinued after a while as it has been shown to desensitize GnRH, this due, IMO, to it's selective nature to the suprapituitary. In the longer forms of PCT, the clomid will be phased out, leaving Nolva and L-dex

Arimidex(or L-dex)
Estrogen is the main inhibitence of restoring HPTA, and AI administration has been shown to increase gonadotrophin concentrations and serum Testosterone by up to 50%. In addition, by adding L-dex, the inhibitence of excess estrogen allows Tamox to work greater at LH stimulation in the begining stages of PCT, since the need to prevent binding in the mammery is lessened by the reduction in estrogen biosynthesis

[Adrenalin]

Prop wk 1 - 12? Don't need that. You just need the prop for a jump start for wk 1-4 until blood levels build up from the sust. Go with 500mgs ew on the sust and go to 400-500mgs ew of the deca. If you're gonna do it, do it right.

So what your saying is:

Wk 1 - 4 Prop 100mg EOD
Wk 1 - 12 Sust 500 EW
Wk 1 - 10 Deca 300 EW

Nolvoldex PCT as above

[Seattle Junk]

So what your saying is:

Wk 1 - 4 Prop 100mg EOD
Wk 1 - 12 Sust 500 EW
Wk 1 - 10 Deca 300 EW

Nolvoldex PCT as above

Bumping an old post but that'll work...

[ChuckLee]

Work on what??