Raise Tren dose ?

[iggyh28]

How long of doing tren-a @ 50mg/day should I wait to see if I can raise the dose? I have only been on 4 days but havent had any sides yet.

[hardgainer1]

try bumping to 75 for next week. I ran at 150mg EOD with great results and minimal side for 3 weeks. but my buddy who is literally twice my size couldnt stay on that amount for more than 3 days because it made him feel so awful. everyone is different

[ghostdog128]

How long of doing tren-a @ 50mg/day should I wait to see if I can raise the dose? I have only been on 4 days but havent had any sides yet.

don't raise the dose, the biggest mistake people make with tren is raising the dose. It's a VERY powerful hormone. Think about this, cows are give a 200mg dose to last 4 weeks before slaugther and we have people taking upwards of 1000mgs a week. The french pharmacuetical company discontinued parabolan due to it's toxicity. You'll feel the sides give it time. They come on slowly, it will start out with you feeling edgy at night when you try to sleep. Then you won't be able to sleep at all. You'll start noticing painful pumps in your calves and lower back just from walking. Give it time the drug is working now.

[hardgainer1]

don't raise the dose, the biggest mistake people make with tren is raising the dose. It's a VERY powerful hormone. Think about this, cows are give a 200mg dose to last 4 weeks before slaugther and we have people taking upwards of 1000mgs a week. The french pharmacuetical company discontinued parabolan due to it's toxicity. You'll feel the sides give it time. They come on slowly, it will start out with you feeling edgy at night when you try to sleep. Then you won't be able to sleep at all. You'll start noticing painful pumps in your calves and lower back just from walking. Give it time the drug is working now.

everyone has different experiences with steroids, maybe you should just ride the 50mg for another week then try bumping

[iggyh28]

Im sort of hopping for a little bit of sides just to know the tren is good but then again I got night sweats (little) and lower back pump with my first cycle wich was test-e @ 600mg/week and deca @ 300mg/week

[aadrenaline]

don't raise the dose, the biggest mistake people make with tren is raising the dose. It's a VERY powerful hormone. Think about this, cows are give a 200mg dose to last 4 weeks before slaugther and we have people taking upwards of 1000mgs a week. The french pharmacuetical company discontinued parabolan due to it's toxicity. You'll feel the sides give it time. They come on slowly, it will start out with you feeling edgy at night when you try to sleep. Then you won't be able to sleep at all. You'll start noticing painful pumps in your calves and lower back just from walking. Give it time the drug is working now.

well parabolan is a little different..lol people were saying 76mg a week were hurting them with sides..

[Dizz28]

don't raise the dose, the biggest mistake people make with tren is raising the dose. It's a VERY powerful hormone. Think about this, cows are give a 200mg dose to last 4 weeks before slaugther and we have people taking upwards of 1000mgs a week. The french pharmacuetical company discontinued parabolan due to it's toxicity. You'll feel the sides give it time. They come on slowly, it will start out with you feeling edgy at night when you try to sleep. Then you won't be able to sleep at all. You'll start noticing painful pumps in your calves and lower back just from walking. Give it time the drug is working now.

200mg given no earlier than 63days...8 weeks... that amounts to about 25mg a week. But thier purpose isn't to get the Cow jacked but to lower the fat content of the meat to make more money per pound for it.

[ghostdog128]

200mg given no earlier than 63days...8 weeks... that amounts to about 25mg a week. But thier purpose isn't to get the Cow jacked but to lower the fat content of the meat to make more money per pound for it.

True but it's main purpose is to increase the LBM as well, I'm sure you read that as well when you read the insert on the web page.Trenbolone improves feed efficiency (partitioning) which in laymans terms means the calories it consumes are coverted to LBM rather than fat. More LBM at a lower BF level means more profit. If you also notice, it says to not use in heffers that will be used to bread. Point is it's toxic stuff, you don't need more than 200mg/week of this stuff for it to do it's job.

[Property of Steroid.com]

You don't raise a dose just because you aren't seeing sides, you raise it because you aren't seeing gains.

[ghostdog128]

You don't raise a dose just because you aren't seeing sides, you raise it because you aren't seeing gains.

Agreeded, as a matter of fact as long as you are seeing gains and no sides this is the ideal dosage. Don't increase it just to see sides.

[Dizz28]

True but it's main purpose is to increase the LBM as well, I'm sure you read that as well when you read the insert on the web page.Trenbolone improves feed efficiency (partitioning) which in laymans terms means the calories it consumes are coverted to LBM rather than fat. More LBM at a lower BF level means more profit. If you also notice, it says to not use in heffers that will be used to bread. Point is it's toxic stuff, you don't need more than 200mg/week of this stuff for it to do it's job.

Females taking males sex hormones don't ovulate....a Heffer is a female Cow. you see why they say don't use in breeding Heffers. And even in males it lowers sperm count making it harder to breed.

it has nothing to due with it being "toxic"

[ghostdog128]

Females taking males sex hormones don't ovulate....a Heffer is a female Cow. you see why they say don't use in breeding Heffers. And even in males it lowers sperm count making it harder to breed.

it has nothing to due with it being "toxic"

What's the definition of TOXIC?????? Toxic- Capable of causing injury or death.

So lowering sperm count isn't considered a toxic side effect, elevated liver enzymes isn't considered a toxic side effect, Elevated blood pressure isn't a toxic effect?. Cessation of ovulation isn't a toxic side effect? If they aren't toxic side effects what do you call them then.. It has everything to do with being toxic.
Edit: Almost forgot a few more... BPH, dangerously elevated cholesterol levels, cessation of natural testosterone production. Last time I checked these are all toxic side effects.
Point is tren is a toxic compound to be used with care.

[Dizz28]

What's the definition of TOXIC?????? Toxic- Capable of causing injury or death.

So lowering sperm count isn't considered a toxic side effect, elevated liver enzymes isn't considered a toxic side effect, Elevated blood pressure isn't a toxic effect?. Cessation of ovulation isn't a toxic side effect? If they aren't toxic side effects what do you call them then.. It has everything to do with being toxic.

Point is tren is a toxic compound to be used with care.

It's considered a side effect. You really don't know what you are talking about, do you?

I like the big words you use "Cessation of ovulation" ...not due to it being toxic though. Females taking Male hormones will stop ovulating regardless of the compound. Females taking Female hormones will stop ovulating. Males taking Male hormones will decrease the amount of sperm produced....and so on. Not because it's "toxic"....side effects man....side effects

So you are sying Female Birth control (estrogens) stop my wife from ovulating and me knocking her up is because it's "toxic" ?? HOLY HELL, I'm gonna sue the hell out of the FDA for allowing a toxic compound to be marketed.

[GHO5T]

How long of doing tren-a @ 50mg/day should I wait to see if I can raise the dose? I have only been on 4 days but havent had any sides yet.

Not nearly enough time to actually see any kind of results from the tren. It usually takes a good 2 weeks to fully see the compound in action.

Raising dosages is not always good as your body gets used to dosages you will constantly need to raise to see gains.

As anthony stated dont raise dosage unless your not seeing results, and even then go over your diet and training just to be sure its not those that are limiting your gains.

[Dizz28]

What's the definition of TOXIC?????? Toxic- Capable of causing injury or death.

So lowering sperm count isn't considered a toxic side effect, elevated liver enzymes isn't considered a toxic side effect, Elevated blood pressure isn't a toxic effect?. Cessation of ovulation isn't a toxic side effect? If they aren't toxic side effects what do you call them then.. It has everything to do with being toxic.
Edit: Almost forgot a few more... BPH, dangerously elevated cholesterol levels, cessation of natural testosterone production. Last time I checked these are all toxic side effects.
Point is tren is a toxic compound to be used with care.

You changed it up on me....

So you are saying all steroids are "Toxic" because they do all of the above....to an extent for each compound.

Please stop saying "toxic" and just refer to them as side effects.

Every Medication on the Market has side effects...some worst then others but that doesn't mean they are "Toxic" to the body

[gorgorothsatanis]

How long of doing tren-a @ 50mg/day should I wait to see if I can raise the dose? I have only been on 4 days but havent had any sides yet.

What else are you using with the tren? I hope you are at least using some test. Don't bump up your dose just because you aren't getting sick, that is ridiculous. That's like saying the amount of aspirin I'm taking got rid of my headache, but it hasn't given me an ulcer yet so I might as well bump up the dose. Let us know what else you are using and it will be easier to advise you.

[ghostdog128]

It's considered a side effect. You really don't know what you are talking about, do you?

I like the big words you use "Cessation of ovulation" ...not due to it being toxic though. Females taking Male hormones will stop ovulating regardless of the compound. Females taking Female hormones will stop ovulating. Males taking Male hormones will decrease the amount of sperm produced....and so on. Not because it's "toxic"....side effects man....side effects

So you are sying Female Birth control (estrogens) stop my wife from ovulating and me knocking her up is because it's "toxic" ?? HOLY HELL, I'm gonna sue the hell out of the FDA for allowing a toxic compound to be marketed.

.. if it's a side effect, it's considered toxic.... and yes I do know what I'm talking about I'm an RN, You apparently don't know anything about biology and toxicity and what toxic acuatly means..of course cessation of ovulation is a toxic side effect. Anything that stops inhibits or alters a normal physiological process is considered toxic.

And yes the birth control your wife is taking is considered toxic, but the benefits of the intended purpose outweight any negative TOXIC side effects. This is what doctors compare and weight out when they think about prescribing medications. You don't think that birth control has serious side effects. Of course birth control is toxic, it stops a normal physiological process, but the pro to con ratios have been weighted and it's deemed an acceptable risk.

[ghostdog128]

You changed it up on me....

So you are saying all steroids are "Toxic" because they do all of the above....to an extent for each compound.

Please stop saying "toxic" and just refer to them as side effects.

Every Medication on the Market has side effects...some worst then others but that doesn't mean they are "Toxic" to the body

the only change to that post was the part that I said edited....

[ghostdog128]

Every Medication on the Market has side effects...some worst then others but that doesn't mean they are "Toxic" to the body

Now I'll give you the fact that medications have varying levels of toxicity.

[Dizz28]

An RN, huh? That definitely impresses me. Lots of pharmacology school there...

[Dizz28]

Now I'll give you the fact that medications have varying levels of toxicity.

You have a firm grip of the obvious.....

[GHO5T]

whats the point of this again? Please take the argument into pm guys, no need to do it on the open boards.

If your not helping or providing advice that helps the original poster than no need to post at all.

[Dizz28]

whats the point of this again? Please take the argument into pm guys, no need to do it on the open boards.

If your not helping or providing advice that helps the original poster than no need to post at all.

True, off to the gym so the "toxic" effects of my Tren, Test and Deca can work for me. Later

Dizz

[ghostdog128]

whats the point of this again? Please take the argument into pm guys, no need to do it on the open boards.

If your not helping or providing advice that helps the original poster than no need to post at all.

agreeded.. I apologize to the original Poster.. and yes and RN, do you not think we study basic biology and human anatomy, one has to be a PharmD to know anything about toxicity and pharmacology? I'm currently working on my CRNA now so yes I'm studying pharmacology as well.

Again I apologize for getting the thread off track.

[iggyh28]

Wow I got you guys going ,LOL anyways I will stick to the same dose unless gains arent to good. My cycle looks like this:

Test-E 300mg/week
Test-P 50mg/day
Tren-A 50mg/day
HGH 3 iu/day 5-2 (been on for a month and plan for six months)
Arimadex .5/day

I dont want to go past 8 week on the AS but dont have enough Prop so I am going to have switch at about 5 1/2 weeks to only Enathate wich I realy hate. My goal is lean mass or even a cutter.
My stats are:

192 lb
5'-9"
15 % BF

[iggyh28]

Do you think its absolutely necessary to drop calories to get lean even if you are on HGH?? My food is very clean and about 3000 to 3500 cal. 6 to 7 meals.

[iggyh28]

What happened to every body??

Were are you??

[iggyh28]

What happened to every body??

Were are you??

[SubmissionGrappler]

Wow I got you guys going ,LOL anyways I will stick to the same dose unless gains arent to good. My cycle looks like this:

Test-E 300mg/week
Test-P 50mg/day
Tren-A 50mg/day
HGH 3 iu/day 5-2 (been on for a month and plan for six months)
Arimadex .5/day

I dont want to go past 8 week on the AS but dont have enough Prop so I am going to have switch at about 5 1/2 weeks to only Enathate wich I realy hate. My goal is lean mass or even a cutter.
My stats are:

192 lb
5'-9"
15 % BF

you do realize that the enanthate will take a few weeks to get into your system so you'll have to start it while on the prop.

[iggyh28]

Yea I now Im doing 300mg/week of test-e and at the same time doing 350mg/week of test-prop

[Dude-Man]

Anything that stops inhibits or alters a normal physiological process is considered toxic.

This is the correct medical standpoint.


But let's not try to pull this thread too far off topic. 350mg/week of tren is a good dose for a first timer. Give it another week before you decide to pull your dose up. I think you shouldn't drop your calories, but instead clean it up, and make sure you've got the right ratio and quality of protien, fats, and carbs.
Check out the diet forums for more information. You can post your whole diet there and get a critique.