Urgent- glass into muscle ??

[JasonR]

I broke my test amp and some glass fractures left on my hand, is it ok to inject invisible glass fractures that may come in the syringe..? fast please, the amp is open

[king6]

No, don't inject visible glass into your muscle. Do you have any filters? If so you can filter it a couple om times. Otherwise use a different amp. And in the future, stick to vials.

[JasonR]

glass is invisible, if there is any, i can see anyway

[king6]

It is a big risk. You can get an infection, or an absess.

[J*U*icEd]

roll up a little piece of cotton from the tip of a q-tip and stick it on the end of the syringe then stick it in the amp... then draw... there u go, no glass no need for filter

[JasonR]

roll up a little piece of cotton from the tip of a q-tip and stick it on the end of the syringe then stick it in the amp... then draw... there u go, no glass no need for filter

injected... thanks guys ! painless so far.

[cj1capp]

roll up a little piece of cotton from the tip of a q-tip and stick it on the end of the syringe then stick it in the amp... then draw... there u go, no glass no need for filter

are you suggesting that he inject himself with an un-sterile substance. By drawing up his gear through some un-sterile cotton he is at a huge risk for infection and abscess . Better to inject it with a small gauge needle and have the syringe inverted or upside down so the heavier glass particles are at the far end of the syringe but you best option is is just to switch to multi dose vials.

[cj1capp]

injected... thanks guys ! painless so far.

let us know if you get an infection, you may be lucky and squeeze by this time.

[J*U*icEd]

injected... thanks guys ! painless so far.

did u use my suggestion?? that way there is no need to waste an amp.... i learned this thru my own use of sust amp... works good right?!

[J*U*icEd]

are you suggesting that he inject himself with an un-sterile substance. By drawing up his gear through some un-sterile cotton he is at a huge risk for infection and abscess . Better to inject it with a small gauge needle and have the syringe inverted or upside down so the heavier glass particles are at the far end of the syringe but you best option is is just to switch to multi dose vials.

what are u talkin about.... q-tips are sterile unless u keep them on your toilet seat.... i dont know bout u but i keep mine sealed in a bag... thats like using a paper filter, right?? how much more sterile is a filter then a well taken care of q-tip??

[J*U*icEd]

its fine believe me

[J*U*icEd]

let us know if you get an infection, you may be lucky and squeeze by this time.

u have no idea what ur talkin bout... think about it u open an amp and its exposed to air right... well when u open an sealed package of q-tips the only thing its exposed to is air... nothing will happen dont worry

[cj1capp]

what are u talkin about.... q-tips are sterile unless u keep them on your toilet seat.... i dont know bout u but i keep mine sealed in a bag... thats like using a paper filter, right?? how much more sterile is a filter then a well taken care of q-tip??

q tips are not sterile, for an item to be considered sterile it must be treated and marked as a sterile item.n Most items are treated with a steam autoclave process or irradiated with gamma rays or processed with a gas called ETO to achieve a sterile end product. . if an item hasn't been rendered sterile then its not. I will agree they are pretty clean as to your question how much more sterile is x over y well its many orders of magnitude so.



as far as my expertise in this area 17 years as a scrub nurse 5 years as a paramedic F/F and am currently the neuro spine / cardiac coordinator at a major hospital.

inform your self before dispensing wrong information.



Sterilization Techniques

CHEMICAL STERILIZATION

Only one liquid chemical, if properly used, is capable of rendering an item sterile. That chemical is glutaraldehyde. The item to be sterilized must be totally submerged in the glutaraldehyde solution for 10 hours. Before immersion, the item must be thoroughly cleansed and rinsed with sterile water or sterile normal saline. It should be noted that this chemical is extremely caustic to skin, mucous membranes, and other tissues.
The most effective method of gas chemical sterilization presently available is the use of ethylene oxide (ETO) gas. ETO gas sterilization should be used only for material and supplies that will not withstand sterilization by steam under pressure. Never gas-sterilize any item that can be steam-sterilized. The concentration of the gas and the temperature and humidity inside the sterilizer are vital factors that affect the gas-sterilization process.
ETO gas-sterilization periods range from 3 to 7 hours. All items gas-sterilized must be allowed an aeration (airing out) period. During this period, the ETO gas is expelled from the surface of the item. It is not practical here to present all exposure times, gas concentrations, and aeration times for various items to be gas-sterilized. When using an ETO gas-sterilizer, you must be extremely cautious and follow the manufacturer's instructions carefully.

Preparation of Supplies for Autoclaving
Comply with the following guidelines in preparing supplies that are to be autoclaved.
Inspect all articles to be sterilized, making sure they are clean, in good condition, and in working order.
Wrap instruments and materials in double muslin wrappers or two layers of disposable sterilization wrappers.
When muslin wrappers are routinely used, launder them after each use, and carefully inspect them for holes and tears before use.
When articles are placed in glass or metal containers for autoclaving, place the lid of the container so the steam will penetrate the entire inside of the container.
Arrange the contents of a linen pack in such a way that the articles on top are used first.
Label every item that is packaged for sterilization to specify the contents and expiration date.
Do not place surgical knife blades or suture materials inside linen packs or on instrument trays before sterilization.

The following are specific guidelines for sterilizing instruments, glassware, suture materials, and rubber latex materials.

Instruments:
Wash each instrument after use with an antiseptic detergent solution. When washing by hand, pay particular attention to hinged parts and serrated surfaces. Rinse all instruments, and dry them thoroughly.
Use an instrument washer/sterilizer, if available, to decontaminate instruments and utensils following each surgical procedure.
Following cleaning and decontamination, leave hinged instruments unclasped and wrapped singly or placed on trays for resterilization.

Glassware:
Inspect all reusable glassware for cracks or chips.
Wash all reusable glassware with soap or detergent and water after use, and rinse it completely.
When preparing reusable glass syringes
match numbers or syringe parts;
wrap each plunger and barrel separately in gauze; and
wrap each complete syringe in a double muslin wrapper.
When glassware, tubes, medicine glasses, and beakers are part of a sterile tray, wrap each glass item in gauze before placing it on the tray.

Suture Material:
Suture materials are available in two major categories: absorbable and nonabsorbable. Absorbable suture materials can be digested by the tissues during the healing process. Absorbable sutures are made from collagen (an animal protein derived from healthy animals) or from synthetic polymers. Nonabsorbable suture materials are those that effectively resist the enzymatic digestion process in living tissue. These sutures are made of metal or other inorganic materials. In both types, each strand of specifically sized suture material is uniform in diameter and is predictable in performance.

Modern manufacturing processes make all suture materials available in individual packages, presterilized, with or without a surgical needle attached. Once opened, do not resterilize either the individual package or an individual strand of suture material.

NOTE: The only exception to this rule involves the use of surgical stainless steel. This material is often provided in unsterile packages or tubes. Individual strands or entire packages of surgical stainless steel must be sterilized before use.

Rubber Latex Materials:
Wash rubber tubing in an antiseptic detergent solution.
Pay attention to the inside of the tubing. Rinse all tubing well and place it flat or loosely coiled in a wrapper or container.
When packing latex surgical drains for sterilization, place a piece of gauze in the lumen of the tray.
Never resterilize surgical drains.
Never resterilize rubber catheters bearing a disposable label.
Never resterilize surgeon's disposable (rubber) gloves.
These gloves are for one-time use only.

Handling Sterile Articles
LEARNING OBJECTIVE: Recall sterile article handling and surgical hand scrubbing techniques, donning procedure for gowning and gloving, and the steps to clean an operating/treatment room.
When you are changing a dressing, removing sutures, or preparing the patient for a surgical procedure, it will be necessary to establish a sterile field from which to work. The field should be established on a stable, clean, flat, dry surface. Wrappers from sterile articles may be used as a sterile field as long as the inside of the wrapper remains sterile. If the size of the wrapper does not provide a sufficient working space for the sterile field, use a sterile towel. Once established, only those persons who have donned sterile gloves should touch the sterile field.

Additionally, the following basic rules must be adhered to:
An article is either sterile or unsterile; there is no in-between. If there is doubt about the sterility of an item, consider it unsterile.
Any time the sterility of a field has been compromised, replace the contaminated field and setup.
Do not open sterile articles until they are ready for use.
Don't leave sterile articles unattended once they are opened and placed on a sterile field.
Do not return sterile articles to a container once they have been removed from the container.
Never reach over a sterile field.
When pouring sterile solutions into sterile containers or basins, do not touch the sterile container with the solution bottle. Once opened and first poured, use bottles of liquid entirely. If any liquid is left in the bottle, discard it.
Never use an outdated article. Unwrap it, inspect it, and, if reusable, rewrap it in a new wrapper for sterilization.



Sterilization Methods Handout

A. Methods of Sterilization

1. Physical Methods
Steam Thermal - Autoclave:
Definition -- a self-locking apparatus for the sterilization of material by means of steam under pressure.

Settings for general wrapped items:
Temp. - 250oF Pressure - 20 PSI
Time -- 30 min Setting -- Fast Exhaust & Dry

Settings for bottled solutions:
Always vent bottles to avoid bursting!
Temp. - 250oF Pressure - 20 PSI
Time -- 30 min Setting -- Slow Exhaust

Setting for "Flashing" an unwrapped instrument:
Temp. - 270oF Pressure - 30 PSI
Time -- 4-7 Min Setting -- Fast Exhaust
Notes -- The above are general steam autoclave settings. Different models may operate with varying settings. Always refer to the appliance literature before operating a new piece of equipment.

Radiation
Use on materials that cannot be sterilized by heat or chemicals
Radiant energy destroys microorganisms

Filtration -- is a method utilizing filters capable of screening out microorganisms

2. Chemical Methods
Ethylene Oxide Gas
Colorless gas at room temperature
Odor similar to ether
Very toxic and irritating to skin and mucous membranes
Microorganism destruction is caused by a chemical reaction
Materials sterilized need to be aerated in well ventilated room or placed in an aerator.
Length of time required for aeration depends on items sterilized.
Effective sterilization is dependent on concentration of gas, exposure time, temperature, and relative humidity
Hazardous chemical, use great care

Cold Sterilization
Instruments should be completely dry before soaking to prevent dilution
Instrument soaking solution - 10-20 minute emersion only disinfects
Incomplete destruction of spores, unless soak is for 10 hours
Examples: Instrument Germicide (Phenol and Ethyl alcohol), CidexTM (Glutaraldehyde)
Most require thorough rinsing before using instrument
Contact time required varies with product used


B. Sterilization Shelf Life of Packaged Supplies

1. The following wrapped items, if carefully maintained, are sterile for up to one (1) month:
Double cloth wrapped instruments
Double paper wrapped instruments
Inexpensive peel pouches for gauze sponges
NalgeneR saline bottles

2. Two (2) packaging methods are sterile for up to six (6) months:
MonarchR Instrument Canisters -- Special box system with single use filters for use in steam autoclaves
Sterility Maintenance Covers -- Sealable plastic covers to place over freshly autoclaved and cooled packs to extend shelf life by diminishing air penetration

3. Heat sealed packages commercially prepared in tube or peel pouch form may be considered sterile for up to one (1) year.


C. Sterility Check List

Before assuming a pack is sterile, always evaluate the following before opening the pack:
Expiration or sterilization date
Indicator color change
General condition of wrapper and how it had been stored
Always check for holes or moisture damage

[cj1capp]

injected... thanks guys ! painless so far.

the method suggested to you is a common practice . But let me inform you as to who routinely follows these no-recomened practices. IV drug addicts in many years in health care booth in hospital and pre-hospital care giving the only fools to use cotton to draw up their drugs are drug addicts and i have treated countless IV drug addicted fools who have major raging infections.
Again i say you may have been lucky but if in the next 8 to 24 hours you begin to notice heat swelling puss or pain at the injection site head to the nearest ER.

[J*U*icEd]

and yes i understand that q-tips arent sterilized by a process... thats not what i ment... what i ment was that using paper filters to filter juice are just as sterile as q-tips are and using paper filters for juice is standard practice... i know the processes for sterilization and that q-tips dont under go this process... i was just comparing to the use of paper filters as standard practice

[Snrf]

and yes i understand that q-tips arent sterilized by a process... thats not what i ment... what i ment was that using paper filters to filter juice are just as sterile as q-tips are and using paper filters for juice is standard practice... i know the processes for sterilization and that q-tips dont under go this process... i was just comparing to the use of paper filters as standard practice

who the hell filters their juice thru paper filters????

[dhriscerr]

J*U*icEd just got a huge punking by cj1capp

u have no idea what ur talkin bout... think about it u open an amp and its exposed to air right... well when u open an sealed package of q-tips the only thing its exposed to is air... nothing will happen dont worry

Reply to the Call out

q tips are not sterile, for an item to be considered sterile it must be treated and marked as a sterile item.n Most items are treated with a steam autoclave process or irradiated with gamma rays or processed with a gas called ETO to achieve a sterile end product. . if an item hasn't been rendered sterile then its not. I will agree they are pretty clean as to your question how much more sterile is x over y well its many orders of magnitude so.



as far as my expertise in this area 17 years as a scrub nurse 5 years as a paramedic F/F and am currently the neuro spine / cardiac coordinator at a major hospital.

inform your self before dispensing wrong information.



Sterilization Techniques

CHEMICAL STERILIZATION

Only one liquid chemical, if properly used, is capable of rendering an item sterile. That chemical is glutaraldehyde. The item to be sterilized must be totally submerged in the glutaraldehyde solution for 10 hours. Before immersion, the item must be thoroughly cleansed and rinsed with sterile water or sterile normal saline. It should be noted that this chemical is extremely caustic to skin, mucous membranes, and other tissues.
The most effective method of gas chemical sterilization presently available is the use of ethylene oxide (ETO) gas. ETO gas sterilization should be used only for material and supplies that will not withstand sterilization by steam under pressure. Never gas-sterilize any item that can be steam-sterilized. The concentration of the gas and the temperature and humidity inside the sterilizer are vital factors that affect the gas-sterilization process.
ETO gas-sterilization periods range from 3 to 7 hours. All items gas-sterilized must be allowed an aeration (airing out) period. During this period, the ETO gas is expelled from the surface of the item. It is not practical here to present all exposure times, gas concentrations, and aeration times for various items to be gas-sterilized. When using an ETO gas-sterilizer, you must be extremely cautious and follow the manufacturer's instructions carefully.

Preparation of Supplies for Autoclaving
Comply with the following guidelines in preparing supplies that are to be autoclaved.
Inspect all articles to be sterilized, making sure they are clean, in good condition, and in working order.
Wrap instruments and materials in double muslin wrappers or two layers of disposable sterilization wrappers.
When muslin wrappers are routinely used, launder them after each use, and carefully inspect them for holes and tears before use.
When articles are placed in glass or metal containers for autoclaving, place the lid of the container so the steam will penetrate the entire inside of the container.
Arrange the contents of a linen pack in such a way that the articles on top are used first.
Label every item that is packaged for sterilization to specify the contents and expiration date.
Do not place surgical knife blades or suture materials inside linen packs or on instrument trays before sterilization.

The following are specific guidelines for sterilizing instruments, glassware, suture materials, and rubber latex materials.

Instruments:
Wash each instrument after use with an antiseptic detergent solution. When washing by hand, pay particular attention to hinged parts and serrated surfaces. Rinse all instruments, and dry them thoroughly.
Use an instrument washer/sterilizer, if available, to decontaminate instruments and utensils following each surgical procedure.
Following cleaning and decontamination, leave hinged instruments unclasped and wrapped singly or placed on trays for resterilization.

Glassware:
Inspect all reusable glassware for cracks or chips.
Wash all reusable glassware with soap or detergent and water after use, and rinse it completely.
When preparing reusable glass syringes
match numbers or syringe parts;
wrap each plunger and barrel separately in gauze; and
wrap each complete syringe in a double muslin wrapper.
When glassware, tubes, medicine glasses, and beakers are part of a sterile tray, wrap each glass item in gauze before placing it on the tray.

Suture Material:
Suture materials are available in two major categories: absorbable and nonabsorbable. Absorbable suture materials can be digested by the tissues during the healing process. Absorbable sutures are made from collagen (an animal protein derived from healthy animals) or from synthetic polymers. Nonabsorbable suture materials are those that effectively resist the enzymatic digestion process in living tissue. These sutures are made of metal or other inorganic materials. In both types, each strand of specifically sized suture material is uniform in diameter and is predictable in performance.

Modern manufacturing processes make all suture materials available in individual packages, presterilized, with or without a surgical needle attached. Once opened, do not resterilize either the individual package or an individual strand of suture material.

NOTE: The only exception to this rule involves the use of surgical stainless steel. This material is often provided in unsterile packages or tubes. Individual strands or entire packages of surgical stainless steel must be sterilized before use.

Rubber Latex Materials:
Wash rubber tubing in an antiseptic detergent solution.
Pay attention to the inside of the tubing. Rinse all tubing well and place it flat or loosely coiled in a wrapper or container.
When packing latex surgical drains for sterilization, place a piece of gauze in the lumen of the tray.
Never resterilize surgical drains.
Never resterilize rubber catheters bearing a disposable label.
Never resterilize surgeon's disposable (rubber) gloves.
These gloves are for one-time use only.

Handling Sterile Articles
LEARNING OBJECTIVE: Recall sterile article handling and surgical hand scrubbing techniques, donning procedure for gowning and gloving, and the steps to clean an operating/treatment room.
When you are changing a dressing, removing sutures, or preparing the patient for a surgical procedure, it will be necessary to establish a sterile field from which to work. The field should be established on a stable, clean, flat, dry surface. Wrappers from sterile articles may be used as a sterile field as long as the inside of the wrapper remains sterile. If the size of the wrapper does not provide a sufficient working space for the sterile field, use a sterile towel. Once established, only those persons who have donned sterile gloves should touch the sterile field.

Additionally, the following basic rules must be adhered to:
An article is either sterile or unsterile; there is no in-between. If there is doubt about the sterility of an item, consider it unsterile.
Any time the sterility of a field has been compromised, replace the contaminated field and setup.
Do not open sterile articles until they are ready for use.
Don't leave sterile articles unattended once they are opened and placed on a sterile field.
Do not return sterile articles to a container once they have been removed from the container.
Never reach over a sterile field.
When pouring sterile solutions into sterile containers or basins, do not touch the sterile container with the solution bottle. Once opened and first poured, use bottles of liquid entirely. If any liquid is left in the bottle, discard it.
Never use an outdated article. Unwrap it, inspect it, and, if reusable, rewrap it in a new wrapper for sterilization.



Sterilization Methods Handout

A. Methods of Sterilization

1. Physical Methods
Steam Thermal - Autoclave:
Definition -- a self-locking apparatus for the sterilization of material by means of steam under pressure.

Settings for general wrapped items:
Temp. - 250oF Pressure - 20 PSI
Time -- 30 min Setting -- Fast Exhaust & Dry

Settings for bottled solutions:
Always vent bottles to avoid bursting!
Temp. - 250oF Pressure - 20 PSI
Time -- 30 min Setting -- Slow Exhaust

Setting for "Flashing" an unwrapped instrument:
Temp. - 270oF Pressure - 30 PSI
Time -- 4-7 Min Setting -- Fast Exhaust
Notes -- The above are general steam autoclave settings. Different models may operate with varying settings. Always refer to the appliance literature before operating a new piece of equipment.

Radiation
Use on materials that cannot be sterilized by heat or chemicals
Radiant energy destroys microorganisms

Filtration -- is a method utilizing filters capable of screening out microorganisms

2. Chemical Methods
Ethylene Oxide Gas
Colorless gas at room temperature
Odor similar to ether
Very toxic and irritating to skin and mucous membranes
Microorganism destruction is caused by a chemical reaction
Materials sterilized need to be aerated in well ventilated room or placed in an aerator.
Length of time required for aeration depends on items sterilized.
Effective sterilization is dependent on concentration of gas, exposure time, temperature, and relative humidity
Hazardous chemical, use great care

Cold Sterilization
Instruments should be completely dry before soaking to prevent dilution
Instrument soaking solution - 10-20 minute emersion only disinfects
Incomplete destruction of spores, unless soak is for 10 hours
Examples: Instrument Germicide (Phenol and Ethyl alcohol), CidexTM (Glutaraldehyde)
Most require thorough rinsing before using instrument
Contact time required varies with product used


B. Sterilization Shelf Life of Packaged Supplies

1. The following wrapped items, if carefully maintained, are sterile for up to one (1) month:
Double cloth wrapped instruments
Double paper wrapped instruments
Inexpensive peel pouches for gauze sponges
NalgeneR saline bottles

2. Two (2) packaging methods are sterile for up to six (6) months:
MonarchR Instrument Canisters -- Special box system with single use filters for use in steam autoclaves
Sterility Maintenance Covers -- Sealable plastic covers to place over freshly autoclaved and cooled packs to extend shelf life by diminishing air penetration

3. Heat sealed packages commercially prepared in tube or peel pouch form may be considered sterile for up to one (1) year.


C. Sterility Check List

Before assuming a pack is sterile, always evaluate the following before opening the pack:
Expiration or sterilization date
Indicator color change
General condition of wrapper and how it had been stored
Always check for holes or moisture damage

Unfortunately It does look like he knows what he is talking about.

+1 cj1capp

[J*U*icEd]

who the hell filters their juice thru paper filters????

people who make their own juice with powder like me!

[J*U*icEd]

J*U*icEd just got a huge punking by cj1capp



Reply to the Call out

Unfortunately It does look like he knows what he is talking about.

+1 cj1capp

and yes i know exactly what hes talkin about i was pre-med at Stony Brook U for 3 years...

[Snrf]

people who make their own juice with powder like me!

Dude I homebrew myself, I don't use paper filters thats retarded. I use whatman filters...what do you use coffee filters?

[dhriscerr]

LOL Im not saying you don't know what your talking about, I know your smart and I know your good at homebrew, and you have extensive knowlege in the AAS dept. I've read some of your threads. It had nothing to do with your knowlege, I just thought it was funny when you said, "u have no idea what ur talkin bout... think about it u open an amp and its exposed to air right... well when u open an sealed package of q-tips the only thing its exposed to is air... nothing will happen dont worry" then he come's back with 2 pages saying he does know what he is talking about.

[J*U*icEd]

Dude I homebrew myself, I don't use paper filters thats retarded. I use whatman filters...what do you use coffee filters?

ok well to all his own... make ur juice how u wana

[Superhuman]

I would never use a paper filter... why use one if you can get a whatman for $2?? That's retarted

[Snrf]

ok well to all his own... make ur juice how u wana

The whole point of filtering is sterilization through a .45 or .22 micron filter, which are small enough to remove bacteria. If you're seriously using paper filters to sterilize your gear that won't remove a single bacterium...

[JasonR]

good posts guys, thank so much for caring for me ! i appreciate that !
its now 6 hours after the injection and no heat\swelling\redness in the injction site.
only the regular oil pain when i squeeze.

I did not use Juiced's tip, ive seen it too late. should i use it next time it happens ? whats the verdict ?

JUICED YOUR AVATAR IS HOT, mail me that PLEASE !!!
(PM)

[J*U*icEd]

LOL Im not saying you don't know what your talking about, I know your smart and I know your good at homebrew, and you have extensive knowlege in the AAS dept. I've read some of your threads. It had nothing to do with your knowlege, I just thought it was funny when you said, "u have no idea what ur talkin bout... think about it u open an amp and its exposed to air right... well when u open an sealed package of q-tips the only thing its exposed to is air... nothing will happen dont worry" then he come's back with 2 pages saying he does know what he is talking about.

lmao.... i thought that was kinda funny too...lol... i was just saying instead of wastin an amp save it, ive done it acouple times.. chance of infection is minimal... the drug addicts who do come to the hospital with infection dont know what their injecting half the time anyway

[J*U*icEd]

good posts guys, thank so much for caring for me ! i appreciate that !
its now 6 hours after the injection and no heat\swelling\redness in the injction site.
only the regular oil pain when i squeeze.

I did not use Juiced's tip, ive seen it too late. should i use it next time it happens ? whats the verdict ?

JUICED YOUR AVATAR IS HOT, mail me that PLEASE !!!
(PM)

lol... thats my girlfriend of 5 years almost my wife... haha i get that all the time just walking down the street wit her... u should have seen the avatar i had up before... had to take it down too provacative

[J*U*icEd]

The whole point of filtering is sterilization through a .45 or .22 micron filter, which are small enough to remove bacteria. If you're seriously using paper filters to sterilize your gear that won't remove a single bacterium...

well i get them from stony brook hospital at school and they are used for sterilization.... so u can pay for yours ill just get mine for free.... they work they have antibacterial on them... no infections ever so ill use paper u can use whatman

[Dude-Man]

roll up a little piece of cotton from the tip of a q-tip and stick it on the end of the syringe then stick it in the amp... then draw... there u go, no glass no need for filter

That's a trick that's commonly used by junkies for mainlining. It usually works for them.

The problem is we're not junkies, and this is not mainlining. When injecting intramuscularly you're at much higher risk for infection. This was bad advice.

[J*U*icEd]

That's a trick that's commonly used by junkies for mainlining. It usually works for them.

The problem is we're not junkies, and this is not mainlining. When injecting intramuscularly you're at much higher risk for infection. This was bad advice.

i was just givin him a quick fix... never got an infection... and i know atleast a dozen people who have done the same... as ive said chances of infection are very very mininal... it works!

[cj1capp]

J*U*icEd just got a huge punking by cj1capp



Reply to the Call out

Unfortunately It does look like he knows what he is talking about.

+1 cj1capp

thanks dhriscerr , just want to help make sure we all get the best info out there so we are all safe.

[Mrbaseball]

I cant imagine how anyone would be comfortable enough to use the cotton from a q-tip to filter thier gear through. Sounds plain crazy to me. Who knows what those q-tips were in contact with prior to even being packaged. Not to mention, most people store thier q-tips in the bathroom and exposed to all sorts of bacteria. Im not going to walk throught the mine field because 100 other guys have, especially when there is a safer, logical way around it. The one guy that doesnt make it through is going to blow is damn legs off, sever a main artery and bleed out out in 45 seconds. If you want to run the qauntlet go for it, but I dont think its right to encourage someone else to through bad advice. Im not going to worry about a "quick fix" when im potentially talking about life or limb. Just my .02