To juice or not to juice?

[man_myth_legend]

Hey yall, let me start out describing myself. Im 18yrs , 6'2", weight flcutuates between 180-185. I have (IMO) very skinny arms and an underdeveloped chest. My chest especially looks weird because the top of my rib cage (below my pecs and above my upper abs) sticks out at least 1" beyond my pecs. Also have a skinny neck, somewhat rounded shoulders, flab around the midsection (but you can see a 6 pack if I pull the fat down),and big legs, but not much definition. From the description, youd think I never work out, but I actually work out twice a day during the week, before breakfast and before dinner, and once on Saturday, with Sunday as a rest. Im in the Army, so my morning workout is either cardio (a 3-5 mi run or sprint/walk int.) or muscular endurance (alt. pushup/situps) and after work I hit the weight room for about 1-1.5 hrs before dinner. ive been at this for almost a year, with no real results. I can actually PT better than most guys in my unit, but they look much more muscular than I do. My diet is pretty clean, no sweets, breakfast is usually:
5 egg whites
bacon
milk (i think 1% )
orange juice
a piece of fruit
oatmeal w/raisins
and lunch and dinner consist of whatever meat theyre serving, boiled vegetables, a salad, a piece of fruit, and water. The only supplement I really take is muscle milk postworkout.
My evening workout starts and ends with 10 mins of mod. cardio
Mon-Chest/Tris
Tues-Back/Bis
Wed-Legs
Repeat Thurs-Sat.
My roomate used to juice, and he was telling me a cycle of test prop would help me shed fat where I want to shed fat and build muscle where I need to build muscle. He says once I use that to build a base I could reevaluate my body and cycle from there. Just wondering what yall think. Sorry for the long post, just trying to get the best advice I can. Thanks.

[kaberle_15]

Hey yall, let me start out describing myself. Im 18yrs , 6'2", weight flcutuates between 180-185. I have (IMO) very skinny arms and an underdeveloped chest. My chest especially looks weird because the top of my rib cage (below my pecs and above my upper abs) sticks out at least 1" beyond my pecs. Also have a skinny neck, somewhat rounded shoulders, flab around the midsection (but you can see a 6 pack if I pull the fat down),and big legs, but not much definition. From the description, youd think I never work out, but I actually work out twice a day during the week, before breakfast and before dinner, and once on Saturday, with Sunday as a rest. Im in the Army, so my morning workout is either cardio (a 3-5 mi run or sprint/walk int.) or muscular endurance (alt. pushup/situps) and after work I hit the weight room for about 1-1.5 hrs before dinner. ive been at this for almost a year, with no real results. I can actually PT better than most guys in my unit, but they look much more muscular than I do. My diet is pretty clean, no sweets, breakfast is usually:
5 egg whites
bacon
milk (i think 1% )
orange juice
a piece of fruit
oatmeal w/raisins
and lunch and dinner consist of whatever meat theyre serving, boiled vegetables, a salad, a piece of fruit, and water. The only supplement I really take is muscle milk postworkout.
My evening workout starts and ends with 10 mins of mod. cardio
Mon-Chest/Tris
Tues-Back/Bis
Wed-Legs
Repeat Thurs-Sat.
My roomate used to juice, and he was telling me a cycle of test prop would help me shed fat where I want to shed fat and build muscle where I need to build muscle. He says once I use that to build a base I could reevaluate my body and cycle from there. Just wondering what yall think. Sorry for the long post, just trying to get the best advice I can. Thanks.

Not to juice, all I read was in bold.

[Kale]

At 18 you are too young too juice. Your problem is diet dude. Now this is what a bulking diet should look like

Meal 1: Pro/Carb

8 Egg Whites, 1 Scoop Of Whey Protein, 1 cup oatmeal

50g protein / 54g carbs / 5g fat



Meal 2: Pro/Fat

Lean Ground Beef, ¼ cup swiss cheese, green veggies

55g protein / 2g carbs / 20g fat



Meal 3: Pro/Carb

Chicken Breast, 1 and a half cup Brown Rice

55g protein / 64g carbs / 3g Fat
**Disclaimer: Meal 3 can be a pro/fat meal if you are ultra sensitive to carb intake.


Meal 4: Pro/Fat

2 Cans of Tuna, 1 Tbsp Full Fat Mayonnaise, Veggies

60g protein / 2g carbs / 13g Fat



Workout


Meal 5: PWO Nutrition

2 Scoops Whey Protein / 80g of Dextrose

40g protein / 80g carbs / 0g fat



Meal 6: PPWO

Boneless Skinless Chicken Breast, ½ cup Brown Rice (Measured Uncooked)

50g protein / 70g carbs / 3g fat



Meal 7: Pro/Fat

Lean Protein of your choice, 2 Tbsp Natural Peanut Butter
50g protein / 5g carbs / 18g fat



Meal 8: Before Bed

3 Scoops of Whey Protein, 1.5 Tbsp. Flax Seed Oil

60g protein / 3g carbs / 21g Fat


That turns into approximately 420 grams protein, 250 grams Carbs, and 83 grams of fat. This is roughly 3500 calories

[ILuvTestEn]

Agreed with Kale, Your too young to start and it's all about diet.

[keith hackney]

its gonna be tough to bulk when youre only eating 3 squares a day like that. i like kales diet but even 3500cal/day aint much, although its probably enough for someone ur size to gain weight

[dhriscerr]

not to mention your overtraining 2times a day 6 days a week with 3-5 miles everyday plus 1.5 hours in the weight room. Tone it down some, hit it up about 4-5 times a week for about 45min. Dont do tons of exercises, hit each body part once a week with about 3-4 exercises and go fairly heavy 6-8 rep range. That along with a diet will definately put mass on you. And its going to be hard to build up running 18-30 miles a week. I understand your in the ARMY but if its not platoon PT try to cut back on the cardio some. Also if you run that much and still have flab in your mid section. Its almost 90 percent due to diet.

[man_myth_legend]

Thanks for the advice, but as far as my diet goes, im pretty much stuck to whatever they give us in the chow hall because the microwave and fridge in my room dont work. I always stay away from the short order (burgers and fries and chili dogs and the like) and dessert, but as far as eating more than three meals a day, again, Im pretty much stuck with what I got, plus non perishible stuff i like whole grain bread, natural peanut butter, and jerky and such. Also, I dont really want to put on a lot of weight, maybe a few pounds, but mostly I just want to change the distribution of the weight I already have. Thanks again, ill use as much of your advice as i can, and seems juicing is out at this point.

[popcorn919]

you do not want to juice now your are to young. you might go and juice even though this thread says not to but, be careful you could actually stunt your growth for good.

[kaberle_15]

you do not want to juice now your are to young. you might go and juice even though this thread says not to but, be careful you could actually stunt your growth for good.

Stunting his growth would be the least of his worries dudes already 6'2 and the other possible risks are much worse. He knows its a bad idea and he needs to worry about diet and training.

Keep us updated with your progress man.

[MrMe]

1. Your too young...

2. You still have to eat like a monster when your a cycle, more then 3 times a day.

Your going to have to start eating more, theres no way around that.

Thanks for the advice, but as far as my diet goes, im pretty much stuck to whatever they give us in the chow hall because the microwave and fridge in my room dont work. I always stay away from the short order (burgers and fries and chili dogs and the like) and dessert, but as far as eating more than three meals a day, again, Im pretty much stuck with what I got, plus non perishible stuff i like whole grain bread, natural peanut butter, and jerky and such. Also, I dont really want to put on a lot of weight, maybe a few pounds, but mostly I just want to change the distribution of the weight I already have. Thanks again, ill use as much of your advice as i can, and seems juicing is out at this point.

[rodosman]

Not to juice. You are too young and too uneducated about diet, proper training, your own body.

As far as your meals go. You can eat cans of tuna or those packs of tuna they have now anytime of the day. Throw in some natty PB. Can you get some protein shakes in there. This way you can eat 5-8 meals/day. Cuz 6-8 meals/day is required for gaining muscle.

Hope this helps.

[MFT81]

I put on like 10lbs and went from 185-195 in a year and was in the army like you. I ate at the chow hall everyday for Bk LH DN and still had to run in the am and I workout in the evenings too. I was and still am all natty at 6ft and about 205-210

Keep lifting, eating, reading.

[aadrenaline]

you guys are nuts over an hour in the gym..im in and then im out..half hour.

[MFT81]

you guys are nuts over an hour in the gym..im in and then im out..half hour.

Hijacking but
Your just like my boss, and I agree the shorter the better but man Im just a crack addict when it comes to lifting, my workouts are never under 1hr 20mins... I know Iknow my test levels, cortisol but I cant do it.

[dhriscerr]

I wish I had the commisary prices again, you can buy so much stuff at the commisary to supplement in between your meals, Canned Tuna, Chicken, pnut butter, almonds, oatmeal, whole wheat or whole grain bread. Not to mention every Exchange I've ever been to and I've probably been to 20-30 of them has a shit ton of sups, get some Whey protein for inbetween meals, not ideal but if you can only get 3 squares then you can supplement 3 protein shakes in between them. Also you can buy a dorm fridge for $100 bucks its all about how bad you want it, if you can't spend $100 to get to your goals, then what does that say about your goals??? I can garuntee that that will be $100 well spent as food is more important than the gear.

[Kale]

you guys are nuts over an hour in the gym..im in and then im out..half hour.

Pretty much the same as me. Any more than 45 mins then call me an ambulance !!!