Finasteride is softening me up and gave me gyno!!!

**Billytk03z** · 02-26-2007, 12:18 AM

When I started AAS on Jan 3, 2007 I hardened up pretty quickly.... I started taking finasteride at 1mg as a precaution for my hair and not only have I softened up while on AAS I also develped mild gyno on my left pec..... funny thing is I was harder before I started AAS and finasteride...... fin really does deplete the dht and make you softer.......

**convalescence69** · 02-26-2007, 03:18 AM

Yar to the Btk,
First off, I've been following your posts, I believe you tried var first, it gave you acne, then you busted out the tbol and you said you are having good success with that. With your finasteride issue, I am wondering, why did you think you needed it for your tbol cycle? Did you start shedding? I just started tbol and I am worried about the ol'hair. Before I started I was already shedding pretty bad, I've noticed less hair up top there. After reading some boards, and instead of taking dutasteride or finasteride, because of the side effects you are mentioning, nabbed this stuff called beta sitosterol, and my shedding has cut down. I am not sure if the stuff is really working or that i am just less stressed out and am experiencing a placebo effect.
Anyways, before i go on a rant, why did you break out the finasteride in the first place?

**Kale** · 02-26-2007, 03:26 AM

Originally Posted by convalescence69

Yar to the Btk,
First off, I've been following your posts, I believe you tried var first, it gave you acne, then you busted out the tbol and you said you are having good success with that. With your finasteride issue, I am wondering, why did you think you needed it for your tbol cycle? Did you start shedding? I just started tbol and I am worried about the ol'hair. Before I started I was already shedding pretty bad, I've noticed less hair up top there. After reading some boards, and instead of taking dutasteride or finasteride, because of the side effects you are mentioning, nabbed this stuff called beta sitosterol, and my shedding has cut down. I am not sure if the stuff is really working or that i am just less stressed out and am experiencing a placebo effect.
Anyways, before i go on a rant, why did you break out the finasteride in the first place?

Beta Sistosterol is just a mild DHT blocker nowhere near as strong as Finasteride. I use Proscar which is 5mg and noticed no issues with softening up as you call it.

**Snrf** · 02-26-2007, 07:11 AM

Jesus Billy you know how many threads you've started about your stupid gyno?

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=278837
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=279025
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=279236
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=281388
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=281214
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=286874
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=287517

You've started 62 threads about this one cycle, every single one of which could be answered by using the search function.....

**donniebrasco** · 02-26-2007, 07:40 AM

smurf you really need to get a life, you spent way to long on here.

billy im on proscar and i believe i have gained water weight from it, am also sleeping way to much.

**Z-Ro** · 02-26-2007, 09:51 AM

That sucks bro, I've been using Finasteride/Dutasteride for months now for my hair. I can tell you that when I started Finasteride I did not see any "softening" up. But as soon as I started Dutasteride I could definatley tell it was working. I softened up some IMO, my sex drive lowered, I pull the crap out of my hair and nothing comes out - which is good, whereas before if I tugged on my hair it just came out. I will say this thought, it seems as if the size of my nads have gotten bigger since using Dutasteride. I am not trying to joke either, I noticed it the other day. Maybe its all in my mind, but all joking aside it appears if they have gotten larger.

**Z-Ro** · 02-26-2007, 09:53 AM

Also, I may run a Tbol/Test cycle soon, so this thread has caught my attention. I planned on using Duta/Nizoral/Minodoxcil on cycle. I believe as many will tell you the biggest war on DHT has to be fought on the inside. Believe me, I was on cycle one time and used every topical you can name and still lost hair. It was greatly reduced but it still went downt he drain.

**Billytk03z** · 02-26-2007, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by Snrfmaster

Jesus Billy you know how many threads you've started about your stupid gyno?

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=278837
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=279025
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=279236
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=281388
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=281214
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=286874
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=287517

You've started 62 threads about this one cycle, every single one of which could be answered by using the search function.....

Bro, do you have a job or even leave the house!!!! LOL

anyway this thread isnt a gyno rant..... Its a finasteride sucks and is killing my gains rant....

**Billytk03z** · 02-26-2007, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by convalescence69

why did you break out the finasteride in the first place?

Bro, I broke out the finasteride as a precaution...... I just wanted to have my bases covered for hairloss and such that might occur on aas.....

**skipp** · 02-26-2007, 10:10 AM

Finasteride wouldn't 'kill' your gains, if people can take dutasteride and still gain then you shouldn't notice much.

And if you really think you are, then switch to a topical. What else do you want? If it gives you gyno, and you don't want gyno, stop taking it. If it stops your gains, and you want gains, stop taking it. Seems simple to me?

**helium3** · 02-26-2007, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by Billytk03z

Bro, I broke out the finasteride as a precaution...... I just wanted to have my bases covered for hairloss and such that might occur on aas.....

better safe than sorry.

**Z-Ro** · 02-26-2007, 10:16 AM

Hell yeah, better safe than sorry, if you loose too much, its hair transplant time. lol I started taking Dutasteride naturally and notice a drop in my strength, to be honest, I am just as strong again as when I started taking it.

**Snrf** · 02-26-2007, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by Billytk03z

Bro, do you have a job or even leave the house!!!! LOL

anyway this thread isnt a gyno rant..... Its a finasteride sucks and is killing my gains rant....

Nah i'm in college and todays my day off....

I was just bustin ur balls, I've tried helpin u in other threads. If I was you i'd cut back on the GH, like that study I pasted could be the cause of ur problem

**Billytk03z** · 02-26-2007, 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by Snrfmaster

Nah i'm in college and todays my day off....

I was just bustin ur balls, I've tried helpin u in other threads. If I was you i'd cut back on the GH, like that study I pasted could be the cause of ur problem

Bro, Its all good! LOL

actually because of your post on GH.. I cut down to 1iu ed.... I figure I will give my body a break but I also dont want to totally cut gh off either.....

I know im freakin out a lot lately wit this gyno shit but its so damn hard to pinpoint what is causing it..... but I do think it was the fin.. maybe my body is very sensitive to fin and its effects.... the thing that I have been noticing alot lately is that I am softening up.... I used to have rock hard abs, they are still there and show but they are not as hard.... this is why I was hoping to get other peeps thoughts and experiences using dut and fin.. I have heard from alot of bros that dut has softened and weakened them up quite a bit....

**getdowntoit** · 02-27-2007, 10:01 AM

Well, yer can't have yer cake and eat it. Whats more important to you, your hair or size and strenth, if you choose dht blockers, somthing has got to give. I'm doin a dbol only with dutasteride soon and I know that i'm not gonna make miracle gains, one has to prioritorize the other.

**Billytk03z** · 02-27-2007, 02:05 PM

Well I think my body needs the dht... lol!! im really thinking about adding winny depot to the last 4 weeks of this cycle so I hope it can harden me up and fight the gyno......... i have stopped the fin altogether for now.....

for the last 4 weeks of cycle I will continue running....
Tbol 60mg ed
prop 125mg eod
(possibly)winny depot 100mg eod.... will this help fight mild gyno by hardening up?

**Snrf** · 02-27-2007, 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by Billytk03z

Well I think my body needs the dht... lol!! im really thinking about adding winny depot to the last 4 weeks of this cycle so I hope it can harden me up and fight the gyno......... i have stopped the fin altogether for now.....

for the last 4 weeks of cycle I will continue running....
Tbol 60mg ed
prop 125mg eod
(possibly)winny depot 100mg eod.... will this help fight mild gyno by hardening up?

halflife on winny is short, EOD is asking for side effects. do 50mg ed

**Billytk03z** · 02-27-2007, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by Snrfmaster

halflife on winny is short, EOD is asking for side effects. do 50mg ed

bro, good call... i will use winny 50mg ed.... but will winny help in getting rid or reducing the mild gyno?

**vitor** · 02-28-2007, 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by Billytk03z

bro, good call... i will use winny 50mg ed.... but will winny help in getting rid or reducing the mild gyno?

Very unlikely...

Proviron would be better, but when letro didnt work I woudnt expect much from either...

**Getbig06** · 02-28-2007, 10:09 AM

Billy if you use winny in hopes of reducing your gyno you might exp hairloss which is what you were trying to avoid all together... I'm not too sure how good winny would be at this though so research it a bit more.