Organize my cycle....

**BlackWidow** · 02-28-2007, 02:35 PM

Feel free to put your thoughts and it'll be really appreciated...

Status :
Age : 25 years.
Height : 191 cm.
Weight : 98 kgs.
BF : 20 %

Cycle experience : This's my first one.

Trainig experience : One year.

Goal : Bulking.

The cycle looks like this :

* 4 weeks of D-bol only at 30 mg ED.

** Nolvadex through the cycle at 20 mg ED.

*** HCG through the cycle at 500 i.u. every fourth day.

**** PCT : For 4 weeks

1) Clomid : 300 mg the first day then 100 mg ED the rest.

2) Nolvadex : 40 mg ED for 2 weeks then 20 mg ED for the other 2 weeks.

3) HCG : 500 i.u. EOD. ( Sorry, I don't understand that HCG thing ).

4) Letro : .5 mg ED

I know you'll ask me to do test and so... I know you are right but these are my excuses for an oral cycle :

1) I wanna do a short cycle.
2) Hate injection.
3) I am very concerned about the side effects ( the shutdown ) and I read that D-bol shut you down less than test. do...
4) Not interested in a prohormone cycle ( I wanna do the real thing ).

So tell me, what do you think ?!!

**Dog-Slime** · 02-28-2007, 02:39 PM

Prob dont need the letro or the hcg and could also drop either the clomid or nolva (not both).

**testisbest** · 02-28-2007, 02:52 PM

you say that you wanna do the real thing but you don't wanna inject? You'll get better results with tbol or var IMO. Dbol will get you big and strong but you'll run into problems trying to maintain your gains post cycle.

**BlackWidow** · 02-28-2007, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by Dog-Slime

Prob dont need the letro or the hcg and could also drop either the clomid or nolva (not both).

But I read that I need at least one SERM and one AI as my PCT...

**BlackWidow** · 02-28-2007, 02:58 PM

And also what do you think anout the duration ?!!
Are 4 weeks sufficient to make any gains ?!

**Markosterone** · 02-28-2007, 03:00 PM

use AI during cycle, and SERM for PCT...

AI during cycle to combat estrogen related sides...

**testisbest** · 02-28-2007, 03:01 PM

you can run the dbol longer at a low dose. There are a few threads on this. Hit the search button.

**BlackWidow** · 02-28-2007, 03:22 PM

bump for more suggestions

**Mazzive_T** · 02-28-2007, 05:47 PM

imo the dbol only usage is far too short. 25mg a day for 8 weeks i feel would be better. Also consider using liv 52's to minimise the toxity on your liver. Also youv'e got to think bro, if your not willing to inject are you really ready for A.S.? Use the search button, and check out other bits of the website such as "Steriod Cycles". Youve come to the right place for help tho!

**GHO5T** · 02-28-2007, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by BlackWidow

Feel free to put your thoughts and it'll be really appreciated...

Status :
Age : 25 years.
Height : 191 cm.
Weight : 98 kgs.
BF : 20 %

Cycle experience : This's my first one.

Trainig experience : One year.

Goal : Bulking.

The cycle looks like this :

* 4 weeks of D-bol only at 30 mg ED.

** Nolvadex through the cycle at 20 mg ED.

*** HCG through the cycle at 500 i.u. every fourth day.

**** PCT : For 4 weeks

1) Clomid : 300 mg the first day then 100 mg ED the rest.

2) Nolvadex : 40 mg ED for 2 weeks then 20 mg ED for the other 2 weeks.

3) HCG : 500 i.u. EOD. ( Sorry, I don't understand that HCG thing ).

4) Letro : .5 mg ED

I know you'll ask me to do test and so... I know you are right but these are my excuses for an oral cycle :

1) I wanna do a short cycle.
2) Hate injection.
3) I am very concerned about the side effects ( the shutdown ) and I read that D-bol shut you down less than test. do...
4) Not interested in a prohormone cycle ( I wanna do the real thing ).

So tell me, what do you think ?!!

IMO you would be better off losing some of the bf before you go on cycle. Your goal is to bulk, and as you know when one bulks usually a rise in bf comes with it, already at 20 you could get a little too high.

Also IMO you need a little more experience in the gym before you cycle as well. Your joints and tendons are no where near strong enough and wont be used to the massive strength gains one gets from such compounds as dbol . The more stength one gains, the more weight one strives to lift, and the more weight one lifts, the more stress are put on the joints and tendons and that could result in some injuries.

**Jefferey** · 02-28-2007, 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by GHO5T

IMO you would be better off losing some of the bf before you go on cycle. Your goal is to bulk, and as you know when one bulks usually a rise in bf comes with it, already at 20 you could get a little too high.
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I completely agree. Poster your cycle is going to add more B/F to you.....You don't really want to be a fat ass do you...Drop some B/F first and then cycle..The problem with your thinking is going to be this...Your going to add size and more B/F..When this happens your going to need to cut and believe me when I tell you this, you'll lose everything you gained plus some.