angry roids

**lil-SLIM** · 03-01-2007, 05:30 PM

what roids make u aggressive mean... roid rage

I know some believe its a myth but what substances have members felt angry on

dbol made me happy I'm sure large doses of test can make u aggresive

**Hellmaskbanned** · 03-01-2007, 05:56 PM

I'm mad on cycle and off.

Actually while on cycle, I usually feel better.

What most say increases agression-Tren ,Test,Halo,Cheque Drops ,small penis.
All of them should make you mad.

Why are you looking into having agression? You gonna beat up your father and kill your mother?

***perfectbeast2001*** · 03-01-2007, 05:58 PM

I've gotten mad on all kinds of gear but I dont think it is any worse than when Im not on. I have always been able to control it and bite my lip if needed.

**zipster_dude** · 03-01-2007, 05:58 PM

I am never angry on cycle or off....Most of the time it's the dumb ass folks around me....

j/k- tren seemed to bring out the beast a little more than I was used too...

**Maximus_Pecs** · 03-01-2007, 06:19 PM

When a ccyle kicks in I can get a little short until I start to hold back. It really doesn't make you made just less tolerant of BS. Test does it to me bue I really feel it with tren . Both overall make a happier person but I have no tolerance for dumb arses. But I really dont off cycle either.

**PROLLYHIM** · 03-01-2007, 06:25 PM

Me personally I love dumb as@ people they make me look good so I don’t mind being around them make me feel smart oh also get mad at lol tied of seen It JK No really I have only done test and a few other never get mad

**lil-SLIM** · 03-01-2007, 06:55 PM

I'm not lookin into aggression just know my tempor and don't wanna take anything that psh me over the edge

I'm on probation and havve to go to anger management classes which as u can guess PISSES ME OFF LOL!!!!!!!!!!

**bigdog81** · 03-01-2007, 07:03 PM

myth... gear causes your test to increase so you are a lil more edgy....
as far as roid rage .! its not real. the cockiness that you get when you become larger is a mental state that causes you to act out

**Anaboxa34** · 03-01-2007, 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by bigdog81

myth... gear causes your test to increase so you are a lil more edgy....
as far as roid rage.! its not real. the cockiness that you get when you become larger is a mental state that causes you to act out

Agreed

**flex_w** · 03-01-2007, 09:29 PM

high ass dose of test does the trick for me. im a bouncer at nightclubs and i let out fury at work if someone does somthing i dont like. REAL REAL ANGRY

**1006** · 03-02-2007, 06:10 AM

whilst on cycle i get more nervous and short fused

**davidinvienna** · 03-02-2007, 06:35 AM

flex matey where u bouncin at? I used to work the door at more than a half dozen places in Syd for nearly 2years from 02-04.... sorry for hijackin the thread .... btw - i ve got a bad temper anyway so i dont think there'll be much of a difference for me. on Halo right now and i m quite alright i guess ... well no worse than usual anyway

**donniebrasco** · 03-02-2007, 08:47 AM

Originally Posted by Hellmask

I'm mad on cycle and off.

Actually while on cycle, I usually feel better.

What most say increases agression-Tren ,Test,Halo,Cheque Drops ,small penis.
All of them should make you mad.

Why are you looking into having agression? You gonna beat up your father and kill your mother?

haha.

**davedizzle** · 03-02-2007, 09:19 AM

Cheque drops

**pip_squeek** · 03-02-2007, 09:05 PM

Originally Posted by flex_w

high ass dose of test does the trick for me. im a bouncer at nightclubs and i let out fury at work if someone does somthing i dont like. REAL REAL ANGRY

lucky you atleast you beat the hell out of sum1 and get paid for it. jk. i havent realised much aggression on test i usually get angry at the ppl around me and let out my anger in the weight room

**CanadianGear** · 03-02-2007, 10:35 PM

in the beginning I always have the best time of my life... I feel great, energized and full of life (doesn't matter if I'm on test or tren ) but as the cycle nears the end I get more irratable and tend to overreact a little on things but it's ALWAYS been easily controllable. It could be the night sweats or the acne that finally get to me, but whatever it is causes me to get upset a little faster.

but like I said... controllable. You just need to know when to back out or when to let it go and just walk away and take deep breaths!

**guest589745** · 03-02-2007, 11:00 PM

I get mad very easily and I have never really noticed steroids making me anymore agressive than usual.

**nandro_shagg** · 03-03-2007, 05:33 AM

maybe its the increased estrogen levels that makes guys bitches lololol

**Warrior** · 03-03-2007, 05:46 AM

Originally Posted by nandro_shagg

maybe its the increased estrogen levels that makes guys bitches lololol

Testosterone in itself, along with popular deriatives can promote better overall disposition. Estrogen and a total raise in hormones that can further impact mood... such as stacking with progestins.

Some info on Estrogen rage:

From the Yesalis book Anabolic Steriods in Sport and Exercise (2000). ****ing awesome book - a little better than the Taylor book IMO...

But anyway... check this out from page 254-255 (Bahrke):

"Although testosterone has been linked with aggression for many years, particularly in males, recent research indicates that estrogen, and not testosterone, may be partly responsible for increased aggression. Since testosterone, through the enzme aromatase, can be converted in the brain to estrogen, higher levels of estrogen can act directly on brain cells.

"In a study to assess the effects of sex steroids on aggressive behavior, Finkelstein and colleagues (1997) administered either depot-testosterone to hypogonadal boys or estrogen to girls at three physiological doses using a double-blind, placebo-controlled, 3-month, crossover design. Responses to placebo were compared with responses to hormones at specific doses. At the low dose, scores for aggressive impulses and physical aggression against peers significantly increased only for girls. At middose, the scores for girls significantly increased for aggressive impulses, physical aggression against peers, and physical aggression against adults. The scores for boys significantly increased for physical aggression against adults. At the high dose, physical aggression against peers significantly increased only for boys. These results suggest that sex steroids affect aggressive behavior in adolecents. Girls showed larger and earlier increases than boys, suggesting that estrogen has a significant role in change in aggression scores during puberty and that testosterone may exert its effect via concersion to estrogen."

Can anyone say - PMS

In all seriousness, according to this - anti estrogens used during cycle could have an effect in lowering steroid induced aggression by limiting estrogen build up in the brain.

The authors further say "The relationship between aggressive behavior and hormone levels appears to be more complex than just the result of elevated levels of testosterone . Taken together, these studies suggest an increased role for estrogen in aggressive behavior."

Basically its a combination of increased tesotsterone and it's aromatization to estrogen. The more testosterone thats administered the more aromatizing... which based on their conclusions would cause more aggressive tendencies from the increase in total hormones.

Regarding testosterone:

The effects of supraphysiological doses of testosterone on angry behavior in healthy eugonadal men--a clinical research center study.

Division of Endocrinology, Charles R. Drew University of Medicine and Science, Los Angeles, California 90059, USA.

Anecdotal reports of "roid rage " and violent crimes by androgenic steroid users have brought attention to the relationship between anabolic steroid use and angry outbursts. However, testosterone effects on human aggression remain controversial. Previous studies have been criticized because of the low androgen doses, lack of placebo control or blinding, and inclusion of competitive athletes and those with preexisting psychopathology. To overcome these pitfalls, we used a double-blind, placebo-controlled design, excluded competitive athletes and those with psychiatric disorders, and used 600 mg testosterone enanthate (TE)/week. Forty-three eugonadal men, 19-40 yr, were randomized to 1 of 4 groups: Group I, placebo, no exercise; Group II, TE, no exercise; Group III, placebo, exercise; Group IV, TE plus exercise. Exercise consisted of thrice weekly strength training sessions. The Multi-Dimensional Anger Inventory (MAI), which includes 5 different dimensions of anger (inward anger, outward anger, anger arousal, hostile outlook, and anger eliciting situations), and a Mood Inventory (MI), which includes items related to mood and behavior, were administered to subjects before, during, and after the 10 week intervention. The subject's significant other (spouse, live-in partner, or parent) also answered the same questions about the subject's mood and behavior (Observer Mood Inventory, OMI). No differences were observed between exercising and nonexercising and between placebo and TE treated subjects for any of the 5 subdomains of MAI. Overall there were no significant changes in MI or OMI during the treatment period in any group. Conclusion: Supraphysiological doses of testosterone, when administered to normal men in a controlled setting, do not increase angry behavior. These data do not exclude the possibility that still higher doses of multiple steroids might provoke angry behavior in men with preexisting psychopathology.

PMID: 8855834 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

The last line further backs the claim that total hormone increases; such as testosterone and estrogen, nortestosterone and progesterone, whatever... are more likely to cause impulisve or aggressive behavior...

**tj979** · 03-03-2007, 11:39 PM

Maybe its a placebo effect, but I feel cocky as hell when im cycling, I do get angry, but I can hold in my agression, but I have noticed at the gym, if some **** wit is just sitting around on a machine or a bench I get pissed very easily

**Pro_built7** · 03-04-2007, 12:39 AM

Originally Posted by Warrior

Testosterone in itself, along with popular deriatives canpromote better overall disposition. Estrogen and a total raise in hormones that can further impact mood... such as stacking with progestins.

Some info on Estrogen rage:

From the Yesalis book Anabolic Steriods in Sport and Exercise (2000). ****ing awesome book - a little better than the Taylor book IMO...

But anyway... check this out from page 254-255 (Bahrke):

"Although testosterone has been linked with aggression for many years, particularly in males, recent research indicates that estrogen, and not testosterone, may be partly responsible for increased aggression. Since testosterone, through the enzme aromatase, can be converted in the brain to estrogen, higher levels of estrogen can act directly on brain cells.

"In a study to assess the effects of sex steroids on aggressive behavior, Finkelstein and colleagues (1997) administered either depot-testosterone to hypogonadal boys or estrogen to girls at three physiological doses using a double-blind, placebo-controlled, 3-month, crossover design. Responses to placebo were compared with responses to hormones at specific doses. At the low dose, scores for aggressive impulses and physical aggression against peers significantly increased only for girls. At middose, the scores for girls significantly increased for aggressive impulses, physical aggression against peers, and physical aggression against adults. The scores for boys significantly increased for physical aggression against adults. At the high dose, physical aggression against peers significantly increased only for boys. These results suggest that sex steroids affect aggressive behavior in adolecents. Girls showed larger and earlier increases than boys, suggesting that estrogen has a significant role in change in aggression scores during puberty and that testosterone may exert its effect via concersion to estrogen."

Can anyone say - PMS

In all seriousness, according to this - anti estrogens used during cycle could have an effect in lowering steroid induced aggression by limiting estrogen build up in the brain.

The authors further say "The relationship between aggressive behavior and hormone levels appears to be more complex than just the result of elevated levels of testosterone . Taken together, these studies suggest an increased role for estrogen in aggressive behavior."

Basically its a combination of increased tesotsterone and it's aromatization to estrogen. The more testosterone thats administered the more aromatizing... which based on their conclusions would cause more aggressive tendencies from the increase in total hormones.

Regarding testosterone:

The effects of supraphysiological doses of testosterone on angry behavior in healthy eugonadal men--a clinical research center study.

Division of Endocrinology, Charles R. Drew University of Medicine and Science, Los Angeles, California 90059, USA.

Anecdotal reports of "roid rage " and violent crimes by androgenic steroid users have brought attention to the relationship between anabolic steroid use and angry outbursts. However, testosterone effects on human aggression remain controversial. Previous studies have been criticized because of the low androgen doses, lack of placebo control or blinding, and inclusion of competitive athletes and those with preexisting psychopathology. To overcome these pitfalls, we used a double-blind, placebo-controlled design, excluded competitive athletes and those with psychiatric disorders, and used 600 mg testosterone enanthate (TE)/week. Forty-three eugonadal men, 19-40 yr, were randomized to 1 of 4 groups: Group I, placebo, no exercise; Group II, TE, no exercise; Group III, placebo, exercise; Group IV, TE plus exercise. Exercise consisted of thrice weekly strength training sessions. The Multi-Dimensional Anger Inventory (MAI), which includes 5 different dimensions of anger (inward anger, outward anger, anger arousal, hostile outlook, and anger eliciting situations), and a Mood Inventory (MI), which includes items related to mood and behavior, were administered to subjects before, during, and after the 10 week intervention. The subject's significant other (spouse, live-in partner, or parent) also answered the same questions about the subject's mood and behavior (Observer Mood Inventory, OMI). No differences were observed between exercising and nonexercising and between placebo and TE treated subjects for any of the 5 subdomains of MAI. Overall there were no significant changes in MI or OMI during the treatment period in any group. Conclusion: Supraphysiological doses of testosterone, when administered to normal men in a controlled setting, do not increase angry behavior. These data do not exclude the possibility that still higher doses of multiple steroids might provoke angry behavior in men with preexisting psychopathology.

PMID: 8855834 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

The last line further backs the claim that total hormone increases; such as testosterone and estrogen, nortestosterone and progesterone, whatever... are more likely to cause impulisve or aggressive behavior...

Does this thread contradict itself ? It says estrogen causes aggresion due to aromatase, but then the experiment shows no sign of aggresion b/c of increased test levels........

**Warrior** · 03-04-2007, 01:20 AM

Originally Posted by Pro_built7

Does this thread contradict itself ? It says estrogen causes aggresion due to aromatase, but then the experiment shows no sign of aggresion b/c of increased test levels........

What we do know is that high testosterone can increase general disposition while high estrogen can increase aggression. So a dose-dependent repsonse while on a cycle could result in aggressive tendencies via the aromatase enzyme. Modest doses may result in better disposition - while heavy doses of testosterone could start to create a build up of estrogen leading to aggression.

Stacking with progestenic steroids (trenbolone , nandrolone ) could compound the problem by raising progesterone... in the end you have a lot of hormones influencing judgement...

**SPARROWM** · 03-04-2007, 03:11 AM

i dont know

**dupa95** · 03-04-2007, 06:35 AM

i have ptsd so I have a short fuse but when I on cycle I am more awear of my snap attitude.

**MBaraso** · 03-04-2007, 06:42 AM

If your an azzhole to begin with....You'll be an even bigger azzhole when you're on.

**Myka** · 03-04-2007, 07:15 AM

anavar

**Pro_built7** · 03-04-2007, 11:19 AM

So the aromatase of estrogen is what causes aggresion not the testosterone hormone itself ?

**guest589745** · 03-04-2007, 05:46 PM

If I read the study right, winstrol was shown to reduce aggression in male rats .............

**H20Crazy** · 03-04-2007, 07:03 PM

Roid rage = Placebo.....get a grip of your anger and control yourself....roid rage is nothing but an excuse..

**duramaxedge** · 03-04-2007, 07:27 PM

Im on 750mg test /wk now.. and I snap pretty easily..

**Warrior** · 03-05-2007, 12:37 AM

Originally Posted by Pro_built7

So the aromatase of estrogen is what causes aggresion not the testosterone hormone itself ?

Not exactly - its the rise of total hormones that seems to cause aggression. If you have a lot of estrogen conversion going on - then you can expect some change in disposition - as several study's suggest. Also, when you add in a progestin, the further increase in circulating blood hormones further compounds the issue...