masteron... for beginners???

**kobiack** · 03-06-2007, 08:17 PM

save the test rants for another thread please...

can masteron be used by beginner aas users safely? from what i've read the sides are very mild and can produce amazing results. is there more to consider than side effects when thinking of aas?

**shrpskn** · 03-06-2007, 09:23 PM

Originally Posted by kobiack

is there more to consider than side effects when thinking of aas?

Absolutely! Sides are just part of the game...how you deal with them and what ancillaries you may take to counter some sides is your call.

I think the biggest things to consider before taking AAS is your goals, stats, and your current state of health. Also the knowledge that you have in the use and precautions of AAS use and also to be equally knowledgeable on the specific compounds that you intend to run.

Good luck,

**GFLEXXX** · 03-06-2007, 09:38 PM

rant aside...

yes it can be used by beginners safely...lower BP effect, lower water ret. and doesn't cause gyno issues at higher doses as some first timers find out around 5-7 weeks of test...however you may find out if your going to be bald later in life..good quality gains..

**kobiack** · 03-07-2007, 06:29 PM

bump

Originally Posted by GFLEXXX

rant aside...

yes it can be used by beginners safely...lower BP effect, lower water ret. and doesn't cause gyno issues at higher doses as some first timers find out around 5-7 weeks of test...however you may find out if your going to be bald later in life..good quality gains..

so, if it's possible, (in my case not likely) then could you take finasteride or dutasteride or something? and also, this will shut you down correct?
How many of you have down mast only cycles??

***perfectbeast2001*** · 03-07-2007, 06:32 PM

never done mast only but I have used it with other compounds and will be adding it next week for contest prep. If you have a low BF (under 10%) then you may see some improvement in hardness, however If you are looking at adding mass or strength then you need to look at something else.

**kobiack** · 03-07-2007, 07:01 PM

thanks beast. i was actually kind of relieved when i saw you were viewing my thread...
so, i'll start with what i know youu're gonna want to know. i'm 24 6'4'' 235lbs. i'm not sure but i'm pretty close to 10% anyways, i'm dieting (maybe even a little too low, but i'm taking alot of protein, creatine, glutamine, nitric oxide, fish oils, BCAA, multi-vitamin, xtra vit. a, b, c, e, and i'm also taking some "superfood" spirulina tabs, just incase my diet is below what it should be.) i'm doing a somewhat of a "circuit training". i work entire upperbody 3 days a week and legs 2 days a week. (1 or 2 days off)

i think i look pretty good. i don't need that much more size, but i would like to completely trim down to swimsuit model style cut... (i know that's wishful thinking, but we have to set our goals high.)

what would be a good first cycle for me? i have been working out my whole life, with only a few breaks. (the most recent was my rib 1 yr. ago this march.) i've kind of been struggling to get back into my usual physique (a broken rib, broke my spirit for a while...) but, this time i was to take it to the next level.

i feel like my test levels are as high as they've ever been and i'm reluctant to raise them so much higher than my average level. (fear that i would eventually lose what i gained over time.) so i'm looking for a longer, hardening type aas. my family isn't prone to hairloss, but does have some abnormal liver and kidney levels later in life.

some advise. you can pm it to me if you feel more comfortable with that.

**kobiack** · 03-07-2007, 07:10 PM

or if you'd like to spend a little time on it, (or have already considered it) what would be a great first set of cycles... etc.

**lil-SLIM** · 03-07-2007, 07:46 PM

what would u add to a masteron cycle if u wanted to gain size along with hardening up

**powerliftmike** · 03-07-2007, 07:50 PM

one of my best cycles ever was test prop and masteron . mainly in terms of size gains, but also ok strength too.

**GFLEXXX** · 03-07-2007, 09:21 PM

Originally Posted by kobiack

bump

so, if it's possible, (in my case not likely) then could you take finasteride or dutasteride or something? and also, this will shut you down correct?
How many of you have down mast only cycles??

I have run higher doses Mast and Primo (very similar to Mast with longer ester) solo, and with low maintainance dose of test and a 3rd copoumd. Even solo at higher doses gains were always very good and maintainable afterwords. Maintainance test, Primo, and tbol has been my favorite cycle to date.

yes Fina. but can't comment on effectiveness for you as I have zero affinity for hair loss...gyno sensitivity is another story

**kobiack** · 03-07-2007, 09:35 PM

Originally Posted by GFLEXXX

I have run higher doses Mast and Primo (very similar to Mast with longer ester) solo, and with low maintainance dose of test and a 3rd copoumd. Even solo at higher doses gains were always very good and maintainable afterwords. Maintainance test, Primo, and tbol has been my favorite cycle to date.

yes Fina. but can't comment on effectiveness for you as I have zero affinity for hair loss...gyno sensitivity is another story

i guess i'm being superficial but i personally am okay with my strength for now. i've always gained strength naturally so i'm okay with it. i just want to show more of what i have.

is it that "unsafe" or am i doing my receptors that much of disservice by not using test first?
i guess it's not that big of a deal i could try test first. i was just tryin' to get some info and opinions.
thanks for your advise.

oh, and i'm worried that i might be a little gyno sensitive as well. during puberty i had a small increase in nipple fat. (more than others my age.) i don't know if that matters, i think it would a little...

***perfectbeast2001*** · 03-08-2007, 01:22 AM

personally If you are dead set on running masteron then I would run prop with it.

1-8 100mg ED prop
1-8 100mg ED mast.
proper PCT.

the masteron lowers estrogen levels so you should not need an AI until PCT. It would be wise to have it to hand though.

**lil-SLIM** · 03-08-2007, 11:11 AM

would 200mg of each eod be just as effective?

**lil-SLIM** · 03-08-2007, 01:03 PM

also is it over kill to add tbol to a prop mast cycle ?

and is tbol very liver toxic?

**lil-SLIM** · 03-08-2007, 01:29 PM

also is it over kill to add tbol to a prop mast cycle ?

and is tbol very liver toxic?

***perfectbeast2001*** · 03-08-2007, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by lil-SLIM

would 200mg of each eod be just as effective?

no it would lead to unstable blood levels.
Yes you could add Tbol if you wished.

**PROTEINSHAKE** · 03-08-2007, 03:27 PM

personal trial of ED versus EOD would probably be necessary....some guys say EOD is enough for them....some need ED....obviously the less you can stick yourself the better off you are.... mast is a great compound.. I just started 100mg mast/100mg prop EOD rite now for the next 11 weeks......

**kobiack** · 03-08-2007, 06:07 PM

thanks guys, i appreciate your advise. how long before you saw any size/strength loses after using mast/prop? i'm looking to keep everything i can. i have a large stature and think my body can maintain the muscle. if you have any recommendations for keeping muscle post cycle, that would be appreciated.
thanks guys.

**shrpskn** · 03-08-2007, 06:24 PM

What does your PCT look like?

What you run and how you run it will determine how quick you'll recover. The sooner you recover, the better. It will then be easier to maintain what gains you've made from the cycle as your natty test takes over and as long as your nutritional intake is appropriate to maintain your size.

Good luck,

**kobiack** · 03-13-2007, 05:23 PM

i'm not really sure. i doubt i'll find anyone that will help me out... but, i think i would run clomid and have nolva on hand just in case. any suggestions on how to run this? i've seen tons posted, just don't know if dosages depend on which aas you're using...

**shrpskn** · 03-13-2007, 09:36 PM

IMO it sounds like continued research will be of greatest benefit to you at this point in time...you're beginning to come off as if your into this without any real knowledge of what exactly it is you're doing.

JMHO,

**AleX-69** · 03-14-2007, 05:23 AM

Originally Posted by perfectbeast2001

personally If you are dead set on running masteron then I would run prop with it.

1-8 100mg ED prop
1-8 100mg ED mast.
proper PCT.

the masteron lowers estrogen levels so you should not need an AI until PCT. It would be wise to have it to hand though.

Well maybe i misread somewhere, but why are you recommending 1.4g AS a week for a NewB?
i'd do
1-8 100mg Prop EOD
1-8 100mg mast EOD.
PCT

and even that is plenty for a first cycle IMO.