Still a little confused about.....

[roadblock2]

Hey guys, I have been doing some research on PCT and I am still confused. I am planning on doing a Test C only cycle of 300mg weekly. I am 30 years old been lifting for 10 years. I weigh 230 pounds. My friend said that with 300 mg a week I should have no problem with any big side effect such as gyno especially because of my age (and yes, I do realize that everyone is different). I guess my question is, what might be a good PCT for this cycle. I did read the educational forum, but it was like reading another language. Sorry for such a rookie question, but I figured some of you might have a good plan to follow. Thanks guys.

[dhriscerr]

One of the most absolute basic PCT's is Clomid at 50-100mg ed and Nolva at 20mg ed. Really if this is your frist cycle, your not going to know what works the best for you until you get a few under your belt. But don't just take my word on it, this is your body so you need to read the forum on profiles to understand how each one works. And then you can research alternatives if something like blurry vision from clomid starts affecting you. I think basic PCT's will work well because your only running 300mg of Test ew. Good luck

[Lunacy]

How long? Most will tell you Nolva and clomid, but I think you will be just fine with Nolva only for at least 4 weeks. 20mg ed. Better yet. If your using just Nolva I would use HCG throughout your cycle or at the end. Its such a low dose I would use HCG at the end of the cycle. This will bring your natty test back.

[vicious cycle]

PCT is as unique to each individual as each cycle is. What works for one may not work for another. There are some basic rules and you have seem them already. Here is another option:

I take no credit for the info hereafter:

SWALES PCT PROTOCAL:

Here it is:

I advise my AAS patients to use small amounts of HCG (250IU to 500IU) two days each week,
right from the beginning of the cycle. This serves to maintain testicular form and function.
It makes more sense to me to keep the horse in the barn, so to speak, then to have to
chase it across three counties later on. I am also a big fan of maintaining estrogen within
physiological ranges. Both therapies have been shown to hasten recovery.

Any more than 500IU of HCG per day causes too much aromatase activity.
Some feel aromatase is actually toxic to the Leydig cells of the testes. You are then
inducing primary hypogonadism (which is permanent) while treating steroid -induced secondary
(hypogonadotrophic) hypogonadism (which is temporary--hopefully).

If 250IU or 500IU on two days each week isn't enough to stave off testicular atrophy,
then I recommend using it more days each week (as opposed to taking larger doses).
In fact, I wouldn't mind having a guy use 250IU per day ALL THROUGH the cycle. Those that
have tell me they thus avoid that edgy, burned-out feeling they usually get. They also say
they simply feel better each day. Subjective reports, to be sure, but they are hard not to
appreciate. Especially when HCG is so inexpensive.

The testes are then ready, willing and able to again produce testosterone at the end of the
cycle. LH levels rise fairly rapidly, but endogenous testosterone production is limited by
lack of use. I also want to make sure a SERM, such as Clomid or Nolvadex , is at effective
serum dosage (around 100mg ED for Clomid, 20-40mg ED for Nolvadex) when serum androgen
levels drop to a concentration roughly equal to 200mg of testosterone per week. That is
when androgenic inhibition at the HP no longer dominates over estrogenic antagonism with
respect to inducing LH production. Of course, if the fellow has been doing Clomid or
Nolvadex all along the way (and I now prefer Nolvadex over Clomid, due to the possibility
of negative sides from the Clomid), he is all set to simply continue it at the end
(no need to switch from one to the other). BTW, I see no evidence of any benefit in using
BOTH SERM's at the same time. I used to think a couple of weeks of the SERM was enough;
now I like to see an entire month after the last shot of AAS (and migration of long to
short esters as the cycle matures). Tapering the SERM is probably a good idea during the
last week, as well.

I want my patients to stop taking HCG within a week after the end of the cycle. The
testosterone production it induces will further inhibit recovery, as will using Androgel ,
or any other testosterone preparation, while in recovery. There is no escaping this, as
there is no such thing as a “bridge�. Just because you are not inhibiting the HPTA for the
entire 24 hours does not mean you are not suppressing it at all. IOW, you can't fool� the
body it is smarter than you are.

I like Arimidex during the cycle (in fact, consider use of an AI while taking aromatisables
a necessity) but it ABSOLUTELY should not be used post cycle (even though it has been
shown to increase LH production) because the risk of driving estrogen too low, and
therefore further damaging an already compromised Lipid Profile, is too great (this also
drives libido back into the ground and we don't want that, do we?).

All this is meant to get my guys through recovery as fast as possible
(the real goal, yes?). So far, all of them who have tried it have reported they are
recovering faster than when they have tried other protocols.
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Best of Luck.

[roadblock2]

Thanks for the help guys.

[Cuttup]

plenty of clomid and nolva should help...