Is this cycle "too much"? Comments Plz...

**Bandit57** · 03-12-2007, 10:42 PM

hey guys, I was wondering what yall thought about this cycle I have outlined here... I am wondering if this is too much, or really pushing it as far as the stack goes... it looks like this and my stats are below...
1-3 D-bol 30 mg ed (week 1) 45 mg ed(Weeks 2&3)
1-9 Tren 165mg eod
1-8 Winny 100mg eod
1-7 Test prop 400 mg ew

Purpose of cycle is somewhat of a cutter, but mostly just good lean body mass without all the water weight, increased vascularity, hardness and definition

Stats: 23 yo 5'9" 185lb 11% BF
Cycles: Tren and D-bol, Tren and Test E, Deca and Test C (more on this in my profile) Lifting for about 8 yrs

Thanks guys!

**MuscleHead320lb** · 03-12-2007, 10:46 PM

remove lab name from your post, please

**D-Money** · 03-12-2007, 11:03 PM

1-3 D-bol 30 mg ed (week 1) 45 mg ed(Weeks 2&3)
1-9 Tren 165mg eod 1-8 Winny 100mg eod
1-7 Test prop 400 mg ew

If your tryin to keep water to a min, I would keep the d-bol dose at 30mg.
Run the test to the very end, (if its a 9 week cycle, run for 9 weeks. This will aid in your recovery). Don't forget about your pct!

**Jason865** · 03-12-2007, 11:13 PM

Terrible cycle IMO, ne need for 4 steroids when you are still so small. All you need is a good trasiining program and diet right now, and at most a low dose test only cycle.

**magic32** · 03-13-2007, 08:52 AM

That’s some hefty cycle experience for 185lbs.

I too would pass on the Dbol increase, definitely run Winny ED & after Dbol. Test would outrun Tren (at least one week).

Was previous Tren use EOD? You might want to consider experimenting with ED.

M.

**Schmidty** · 03-13-2007, 09:09 AM

Run the test to the end

**Johny-too-small** · 03-13-2007, 09:10 AM

Yup, drop the dbol all together, imo.

**Maldorf** · 03-13-2007, 09:15 AM

I am also seeing that youre injecting EOD, and all those compounds you are using are best done ED. You dont mention how youre doing the prop. If this is your first cycle you dont need more than test really, or at least stay away from the tren . If the winny is injectable, dont mix it with the oil based test. Youll need to do 2 seperate injections, or just drink it. Mixing the two can lead to abcess. I know, I got one once from doing that and wont do it again now.

***JDMSilviaSpecR*** · 03-13-2007, 09:26 AM

Extend your Test Prop to 9 weeks. It should be ran as long as your Tren /Winny

***Doc.Sust*** · 03-13-2007, 09:43 AM

this cycle is a mess!!! you dont have enough test to do this right, you are using to much tren for a beginer and i dont understand why you are taking dbol and winny at the same time, especially if they are both orals

**marcus300** · 03-13-2007, 09:54 AM

The cycle doesnt look any good what so ever. I would do some more research and plan a better one.

**Booz** · 03-13-2007, 09:59 AM

got nothin to add the two guys abouv have said it all mate,id advise you to listen................

**Manpretty** · 03-13-2007, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by Johny-too-small

Yup, drop the dbol all together, imo.

yep, frontload with prop

week 1:
prop 150mged
tren 75mged

week 2-9:
tren 75mged
prop 75mged

week 9-12:
prop 75mged
winny 75mged or start winny on week 8

**Bandit57** · 03-13-2007, 08:50 PM

thanks for the input guys... for the others who posted... im not a real begginer at this stuff... i've been up to 215 before, but just got back down through working too much and not lifting... also the winny is inj for the others who had that question... but thanks again

**Manpretty** · 03-14-2007, 08:47 AM

Originally Posted by Bandit57

thanks for the input guys... for the others who posted... im not a real begginer at this stuff... i've been up to 215 before, but just got back down through working too much and not lifting... also the winny is inj for the others who had that question... but thanks again

honestly man listen to marcus.....froom what ive seen he knows his stuff....the cycle ive outlined is better than the one youve outlined. that being said you might want to ask marcus boz or sust for some better advice than mine. i do know that cycle you want to run is crap