So It begins...

[HoytT]

Hey!

Well i posted a while back (and was advised against an AAS cycle) but against everyone's suggestions (and probably against my own better judgment...) I'm starting my first cycle up. I'm pretty pumped up, I've been reading about steroids for years and am looking forward to finally having a physical specimen on which to test them. I'll list my details and the few questions I have left below.

First Cycle

Stats : 5'9 158lbs. 23 years old
Training for five years

Before I go into the cycle, I'm going to point out a few things that I know ppl are going to jump at:

1. No test. Nope there's none in it. Being celibate for the duration might drive me (and my star player) mad tho... but i guess it's a sacrifice that must be made!

2. Yup Tren on a first cycle. It just seems too damned tempting.

Well here it is:

Weeks 1-2 - Anadrol - 50mgs per day
Week 3 - Anadrol - 100mg per day
Week 4-5 - Anadrol - 50mg per day

Week 1 - Trenbolone Acetate - 200mg(divided equally and shot EOD)
weeks 2-10 - Trenbolone Acetate - 300mg (3 100mg shots)
Week 11 - Tren A - 200mg
Week 12 - Tren A - 100mg

Arimidex .5mg ED for duration of cycle
Nolvadex 10mg/day while on A-bombs
PCT will be clomid and HCG

It seems like a fairly complex first cycle, but I'm hoping for some good gains. I'll be training seven days a week, twice a day and eating as much quality food as i can hold.

My questions:

1. Is the dosage of tren high enough given that once i discontinue the anadrol it will be my sole androgen?
2. I'm not sure of the anti-estrogens i've chosen. I went with both a SERM and an AI, but with these two compounds I'm not sure if i need any other precautions. any advice would be MUCH appreciated.

[lawsey000]

You my friend are a wild one. Why no test? Wanna try shooting pool with a rope for a while?

[HoytT]

lol it's got me a little worried... but to be honest, i don't believe in tren dick, i like pussy too much, it'll get hard no matter what!!! I only wanted to use two compounds (1 oral and 1 injectable), I chose the tren because it's notorious for lean mass and the anadrol b/c it will help prevent that damned overtraining.

[Beefkake31]

[Kale]

Sigh !!! I am thinking I want to reply, then I think "Whats the point "

[Beefkake31]

Sigh !!! I am thinking I want to reply, then I think "Whats the point "

lol, this is all you need to do Kale ....

[pip_squeek]

i am speechless y no test?

[NewVader]

Dude, is this a joke?

the problem isn't that you dont have any test. 100mg anadrol/day? 158lb? you shouldnt even touch steroids let alone taking anadrol and tren. besides the cycle you lined up wouldnt give you much but water for the first 3 weeks even if you were 200lb, but besides that, I think you have outlined the perfect formula to f**k yourself up....

at 5.9 you can do better than 158lb so if you have been training for 5 years most likely something ins't in place either train or diet or probably both. Even if everything was in place and you were an extreme hardgainer that cycle isnt gonna help you, the side effects would outcome the benefits. In that case (but I doubt that's you situation ) I'd do 250mg test/week plus 200mg/week of deca or primo. If you were at your genetic limit that would push you thorugh and give you some retainable gains.

good luck

[HoytT]

Yeah my weight fluctuates pretty drastically... i started at 128 and was up to 198 for a while, but decided i wanted to cut and stripped off a little too much (back down to 128). Now i'm sitting at ~158, but i'm ripped as hell. I just want to keep the gains lean, maybe drol wasn't the best choice...

From what i've read deca and primo sound pretty weak... I guess i could cut the drol dosage down and slap in a baseline test.

[HoytT]

Oh and Kale, definitely a point in posting. You're a pretty smart guy, i've been reading on here for a while, you've gotta lot of good info, anything you can offer up would be much appreciated.

[Beefkake31]

Oh and Kale, definitely a point in posting. You're a pretty smart guy, i've been reading on here for a while, you've gotta lot of good info, anything you can offer up would be much appreciated.

If that is true then if he does reply and tell you what to do, would you do it? Because from everything I have read you are almost TRYING to go against all the right things here especially when you yourself state that you know you should be doing so and so but you choose not to and certain things won't affect you, etc. That is just being plain ignorant. So if you know you should be doing certain things and you still aren't doing them I don't know why you want Kale or anyone else for that matter to chime in.

[HoytT]

I'm always trying to learn more. You can only learn so much from reading proiles on this stuff. I take into account everything people say on here, I may be bull-headed sometimes, but that doesn't mean I don't consider the advice i get and adjust what i'm going to use accordingly. I was joking about the tren dick, although i think too often steroids are blamed for loss of sex drive when the problem truly exists in more deeply routed psychological aspects of the individual.

[ziinus]

You really don't want to take tren without test. Because after your first injection of tren you won't have anymore test in your blood, tren bind strongly to the progesterones receptor, metabolites of tren even more, and your prolactine levels will rise. Metabolites will stay 5 months in your body, think of it.

No test = loss of sex drive
Progesterone effect of tren = loss of sex drive
Prolactine = loss of sex drive

No worth it, cause tren dick can last for several months after the cycle.

[HoytT]

How much test would you recommend in order to keep the sex drive alive? Also, are both an AI and a SERM necessary in this cycle, or would a compound that helps with progesterone and/or prolactin reduction be of more benefit?

[ziinus]

250mg test minimum. if you want to be safe you can take letrozole + bromocriptine/cabergoline

[davedizzle]

Haha dude your a fruit cake. Scrap your damn cycle and start listening to the bro's, or you'll be wishing you had when you come back whining for help after ****ing yourself up.

Scrap your cycle.
As you insist on cycling at 150lbs.. 500mg Test EW will see you grow like the fruit you are.. providing your diet and training is on.

[davedizzle]

oh I forgot..

[vicious cycle]

YOU are the reason people and the Government want to bring us down. Personally, I'd ban you.