Are steroids right for me?

[FlipLife]

Hello, obviously I'm a new guy with a few questions. First, a few things about me. I'm a 23 year old 5'10" male and weigh a whopping 155 lbs. Ive been going to the gym routinely for the past 8 months and have a proper diet the entire time. The first few months I was noticing a steady increase in my performance at the gym, but for the past few months I have seen absolutely no return on my workouts. I havent been able to increase weight (both my weight and bar weights at the gym), and have had no visible difference. As you know, going to the gym for a few months is getting hard to do when I'm not getting any return, and I'm finally fed up with it. So with that, its leading me to try alternatives for muscle/weight gain. So with all that being said, are steroids the right thing to try? Or is there something else I should be trying first. Any insight would be helpful, and please dont laugh too hard at the new puny guy.

Thanks guys.

[dhriscerr]

Can you post this PROPER DIET???

[Bigmax]

Bro,look at your nutrition and your training first....also what are your goals???..AAS are not just something you take...at 155 you dont even have a good enuff base.You want to try and gain all the weight in muscle natty first then you may consider them.

[FlipLife]

"Can you post this PROPER DIET???"

- While it's not set in stone. I usually have 4 eggs at breakfast, banana, some bread, and a glass of milk. For lunch I usually have a nice turkey or chicken sandwich with a slice of cheese and a glass of milk. Dinner varies sometimes, but generally a nice piece of meat, some rice, a salad and a little something else. This is just the major meals, I'll have a snack or 2 throughout the day with food along those lines, and a protein shake before/after workouts.

"also what are your goals???."

-My goals right now are mainly appearance goals. I'm tired of looking like the little guy, which made me start lifting in the first place. While it has increased very slightly, in almost a year I was expecting better results.

"at 155 you dont even have a good enuff base"

-Any recommendations on how I can increase this base? Working out and eating properly sure arent doing the trick.

[ALPHAMALE77]

Imo Not Something Just To Jump Into....do Your Research,....loads And Loads Of Good Info On Here...read Read And Read Some More And Then Make A Decision....and After Looking At You Food Intake I Dont Think Your Eating Enough...imo...

[Bigmax]

we need to se theis diet you're on bro....you're 155 somethings not right if you say you're eating and training..

[Lunacy]

"Can you post this PROPER DIET???"

- While it's not set in stone. I usually have 4 eggs at breakfast, banana, some bread, and a glass of milk. For lunch I usually have a nice turkey or chicken sandwich with a slice of cheese and a glass of milk. Dinner varies sometimes, but generally a nice piece of meat, some rice, a salad and a little something else. This is just the major meals, I'll have a snack or 2 throughout the day with food along those lines, and a protein shake before/after workouts.

"also what are your goals???."

-My goals right now are mainly appearance goals. I'm tired of looking like the little guy, which made me start lifting in the first place. While it has increased very slightly, in almost a year I was expecting better results.

"at 155 you dont even have a good enuff base"

-Any recommendations on how I can increase this base? Working out and eating properly sure arent doing the trick.

I was the same height and same weight as you. You can gain 10 pounds a year natty. Try creatine and eat more. Read up on bulking in the diet forum. Good luck

[FlipLife]

"we need to se theis diet you're on bro....you're 155 somethings not right if you say you're eating and training.."

-I posted the diet above.


"I was the same height and same weight as you. You can gain 10 pounds a year natty. Try creatine and eat more. Read up on bulking in the diet forum. Good luck"

-I guess I'll give creatine a shot. And thanks for the link.

[rodosman]

Eat More! Eat More! Eat More!

[dhriscerr]

"Can you post this PROPER DIET???"

- While it's not set in stone. I usually have 4 eggs at breakfast, banana, some bread, and a glass of milk. For lunch I usually have a nice turkey or chicken sandwich with a slice of cheese and a glass of milk. Dinner varies sometimes, but generally a nice piece of meat, some rice, a salad and a little something else. This is just the major meals, I'll have a snack or 2 throughout the day with food along those lines, and a protein shake before/after workouts.

Thats your problem man! 4 eggs a banana 2 pieces of bread and a glass of milk is like 600 Cals 40g Protien 30g carbs

Turkey sandwich is 2 peice of bread and 6oz of meat, thats like 350-400 Cals + Cheese so like 500 Cals

Say you get 12 OZ of meat for supper 1 cup of rice and a salad, your looking at 300-400 cals for meat, probably 50g of protein 300 cals for rice with 50+Carbs and 100-200 for salad depending on toppings you looking at 900 Cals

Thats only 2000 Calories and thats being generous! plus your snacks and if there anything like your meals its not enough. You need to read the bulking sticky's, plus what do you do for a job, becuase unless your laying on a couch all day your burning more than your taking in, making it impossible to grow! EAT EAT EAT, also don't think of meals like breakfast lunch supper and snacks. Meal 1, Meal 2 ect + PWO PPWO You definately need more carbs though, maybe get some potatoes and oatmeal, Rice for one meal and 4 pieces of bread aren't going to cut it!

Im not trying to flame you, but your diet isn't nearly as good as you think and if you don't change it even with AAS you still wont grow, All the pills in the world can't produce muscle if the fuel for them isn't there.

[vicious cycle]

There are no hard gainers. Just poor eaters.

[getdowntoit]

There are no hard gainers. Just poor eaters.

Bullshit! Tell me this then, why is it that some people can
eat like a mouse, train like a mouse, drink beer and have no dedication yet they still grow, obviously not to the extent like they could do but they still grow muscles with veins sticking out of their arms. This guy who is struggling is obviously an ectomorph. There is much more to growing than just eating and ****morphs should not be giving advise to hardgainers cos they do not have the experience of the hard road that ectomorphs have to take.

However I agree, 155 is too small to start any aas, I didn't start using till I was 183 and my starting weight was 133.

[dhriscerr]

Bullshit! Tell me this then, why is it that some people can
eat like a mouse, train like a mouse, drink beer and have no dedication yet they still grow, obviously not to the extent like they could do but they still grow muscles with veins sticking out of their arms. This guy who is struggling is obviously an ectomorph. There is much more to growing than just eating and ****morphs should not be giving advise to hardgainers cos they do not have the experience of the hard road that ectomorphs have to take.
However I agree, 155 is too small to start any aas, I didn't start using till I was 183 and my starting weight was 133.

How you going to sit there and say this guy is an ectomorph? Maybe he is, but It doesn't matter. He's not eating enough, he posted his diet, and its not enough. Its not like he is consuming 4000 Cals at his weight and not growning, everyone thinks they have an awsome diet and the problem is they dont know what an awsome diet is. Is it easier for some people yes, but laws of science man, if you eat more cals than you burn your going to gain either muscle or fat, because the energy from food has to be stored as something or burned up. So unless he is eating shit and getting fat, he's not gaining because he isn't getting more calories than he burns, maybe he does have a high metabolism, that just means eat more, either way it boils down to the same thing EAT MORE, End of Story!!

[Titleist]

^^^ Eat More!

[kaberle_15]

There are no hard gainers. Just poor eaters.

I agree with you

[vicious cycle]

Bullshit! Tell me this then, why is it that some people can
eat like a mouse, train like a mouse, drink beer and have no dedication yet they still grow, obviously not to the extent like they could do but they still grow muscles with veins sticking out of their arms. This guy who is struggling is obviously an ectomorph. There is much more to growing than just eating and ****morphs should not be giving advise to hardgainers cos they do not have the experience of the hard road that ectomorphs have to take.

However I agree, 155 is too small to start any aas, I didn't start using till I was 183 and my starting weight was 133.

I'll say it again for the simple, slow and stupid. There are no hard gainers. Just poor eaters.

Bullshit! This guy who is struggling is obviously an ectomorph."

Ummmmm...you did read his diet didn't you? Sorry bro, he's no ectomorph...he's just a poor eater. Just like the other 99.9999999999% of people who say they have peaked.

Never occurs to these guys that (losing or gaining weight) requires that caloric numbers need to be revamped every two weeks. Especially if you do have issues losing or gaining weight. As weight goes up or down, the number of calories need to follow suit or guess what? Gains/losses stop.

Not rocket surgery bro.

[vicious cycle]

Hello, obviously I'm a new guy with a few questions. First, a few things about me. I'm a 23 year old 5'10" male and weigh a whopping 155 lbs. Ive been going to the gym routinely for the past 8 months and have a proper diet the entire time. The first few months I was noticing a steady increase in my performance at the gym, but for the past few months I have seen absolutely no return on my workouts. I havent been able to increase weight (both my weight and bar weights at the gym), and have had no visible difference. As you know, going to the gym for a few months is getting hard to do when I'm not getting any return, and I'm finally fed up with it. So with that, its leading me to try alternatives for muscle/weight gain. So with all that being said, are steroids the right thing to try? Or is there something else I should be trying first. Any insight would be helpful, and please dont laugh too hard at the new puny guy.

Thanks guys.

If you need help working up numbers, just let me know. Because, no. AAS is not right for you. Not now anyway.

[getdowntoit]

I'll say it again for the simple, slow and stupid. There are no hard gainers. Just poor eaters.



Ummmmm...you did read his diet didn't you? Sorry bro, he's no ectomorph...he's just a poor eater. Just like the other 99.9999999999% of people who say they have peaked.

Never occurs to these guys that (losing or gaining weight) requires that caloric numbers need to be revamped every two weeks. Especially if you do have issues losing or gaining weight. As weight goes up or down, the number of calories need to follow suit or guess what? Gains/losses stop.

Not rocket surgery bro.

Slow and stupid? I don't think so chum, there are such thing as hard gainers as long as they have proved they are by doing everything correctly. I NEVER skip meals , I eat even when I think I'm, gonna puke and I go nowhere until it's all gone, I bet you don't have to do that, I have stretch marks on my stomach even.

[dhriscerr]

I'll say it again for the simple, slow and stupid. There are no hard gainers. Just poor eaters.



Ummmmm...you did read his diet didn't you? Sorry bro, he's no ectomorph...he's just a poor eater. Just like the other 99.9999999999% of people who say they have peaked.

Never occurs to these guys that (losing or gaining weight) requires that caloric numbers need to be revamped every two weeks. Especially if you do have issues losing or gaining weight. As weight goes up or down, the number of calories need to follow suit or guess what? Gains/losses stop.

Not rocket surgery bro.

I think its rocket science or brain surgery I dont think you get to combine them!!!

[dhriscerr]

Slow and stupid? I don't think so chum, there are such thing as hard gainers as long as they have proved they are by doing everything correctly. I NEVER skip meals , I eat even when I think I'm, gonna puke and I go nowhere until it's all gone, I bet you don't have to do that, I have stretch marks on my stomach even.

Hello mr hard gainer, please post your diet then. See what your working with, and it better not be chex mix and kfc!

[getdowntoit]

Hello mr hard gainer, please post your diet then. See what your working with, and it better not be chex mix and kfc!

I'd like to see your diet first, from the look of that picture it don't look like you eat all that much, you are muscular however with good low bodyfat, lower than mine.

[kaberle_15]

^^^^^

[getdowntoit]

lets see your diet kab!

[kaberle_15]

lets see your diet kab!

Brotha I aint lackin or complaining why should I show you anything?

[king6]

Like everyone says, you need to eat more. My first meal is almost 1200calories. When you feel like you are gonna puke half of the day, then that is when you know you are eating enough.

[DSM4Life]

You should be able to answer that question yourself. Until you can, go eat ,sleep and train.

[bigger than you]

without reading this I would say No! use creatine instead protein, and eatmore peanut butter and jelly sandwhiches

[king6]

without reading this I would say No! use creatine instead protein, and eatmore peanut butter and jelly sandwhiches

WTF?!

[bigger than you]

WTF?!

I know king 6 I give good advice
that's what your thinking

[Jason865]

No steroids are not right for you

[king6]

I know king 6 I give good advice
that's what your thinking

Oh, I thought you were being serious.

I love PBJ's.

[dhriscerr]

I'd like to see your diet first, from the look of that picture it don't look like you eat all that much, you are muscular however with good low bodyfat, lower than mine.

Ha ha nice, Except Im not a fitness model!! But id be a chick if I looked that good! Anyway I'll post my diet, and its not the greatest ever, but its not bad at all, also I don't have a problem gaining, I just tend to put on fat while Im getting more muscle, its hard to over come but I'll just be fat until Im ready to cut, then cut back down.

[FlipLife]

Thanks for all the replies guys. I guess the thing I need to do now is just eat more, and maybe some creatine. And as for the guy saying its 2000 calories... maybe what I listed is 2000, but like I said what I listed isnt set in stone, and since I DO KEEP TRACK OF MY DIET, I know for a fact I average 2500-3000 calories a day. However, I'm just assuming that isnt enough and will try to add on even to that, mainly with some carbs.

Snd yes, I am a 150% ectomorph, even told so by a sports medicine doctor.

[bigger than you]

In my opinion if you have to ask the question "if roids are right for me"
you need to do more time in the gym do more research and rethink this whole thing over give it some time dude.

[dhriscerr]

Thanks for all the replies guys. I guess the thing I need to do now is just eat more, and maybe some creatine. And as for the guy saying its 2000 calories... maybe what I listed is 2000, but like I said what I listed isnt set in stone, and since I DO KEEP TRACK OF MY DIET, I know for a fact I average 2500-3000 calories a day. However, I'm just assuming that isnt enough and will try to add on even to that, mainly with some carbs.

Snd yes, I am a 150% ectomorph, even told so by a sports medicine doctor.

Im not trying to bash you at all dude, just saying that if you are ectomorph you as well as anyone should know you have to eat even more than the average person, so 3000 cals bulking wont be enough!!! Good luck man! If your over 5000 and can't put on weight then something is wrong

[vicious cycle]

Slow and stupid? I don't think so chum, there are such thing as hard gainers as long as they have proved they are by doing everything correctly. I NEVER skip meals , I eat even when I think I'm, gonna puke and I go nowhere until it's all gone, I bet you don't have to do that, I have stretch marks on my stomach even.

I don't have a clue as to what you are trying to say here.

It seems as if you are saying that you are a hard gainer as well. If so, my advise to you and to the original poster is to go see a dietitian.

FlipLife, I'm telling you bro, you are not eating the right things in the right amounts at the right times. If you don't want to take the advise, that's fine. It's up to you now.

[scaramouche]

I don't have a clue as to what you are trying to say here.

It seems as if you are saying that you are a hard gainer as well. If so, my advise to you and to the original poster is to go see a dietitian.

FlipLife, I'm telling you bro, you are not eating the right things in the right amounts at the right times. If you don't want to take the advise, that's fine. It's up to you now.

hes saying u dont know wtf ur talking about u obviously r not a hard gainer doesnt mean they dont exist only a total and utter twat would assume what applies to them would apply to all humanity hard gainers r real i know ive seen them at the bottom of my garden chillin with the fairies n elves

[vicious cycle]

hard gainers r real i know ive seen them at the bottom of my garden chillin with the fairies n elves

[hardgainer1]

Try KFC i heard their chicken strips are packed to the brim with protein

Seriously though. If I ate "properly" I would be a monster, its really mine and most so called hardgainers biggest nemesis. The only time ever grow is when i force food in me, for some reason hardgainers are just not naturally apt to eat a lot, just have to force yourself till you feel like you will puke, eventually your stomach gets used to the amounts and you get hungry more often. Try whey Protein shakes 3 a day plus what you are already eating. Also you might want to check out the diet and nutrition forum as there are scientific formulas for caloric and protein intake based on weight to basically guarantee growth if you follow them

good luck no steroids yet for you though.

[getdowntoit]

Brotha I aint lackin or complaining why should I show you anything?

It was just you post I saw