Cutting Cycle Questions - (testisbest read please)

**installer** · 03-14-2007, 06:48 PM

My first cutting cycle and a little confused.... any help would be appreciated... Im looking at Test Prop, Primo, and Clen the things that are tripping me up is that some things i read it tells me to take test eod and some say twice a week, etc.. im looking to put together a clean cutting cycle and with the hundreds of hours ive read i just have to ask... I obviously would like these compounds because very little bloating and very good results ... what i have together is this..

Test prop 500mg/wk eod
Primo 500mg/wk eod
Clen 100mcg ed (pirimid on and off)

10wk program

weight - 205
bf% - 16%
height - 6' 0"

fourth cycle
previous cycles were 1 - Dbol , 2 - dbol test e, 3 - anadrol Andropen275

so please advise with any suggestions .... thanks for your time ....

**Rhino63** · 03-14-2007, 08:49 PM

I'd throw in some winny, eq, or tren if u want to get really cut up...and with clen id stay on it through out the cycle once u pyrimid up just take 1 week of benedryl every 3rd week to clean out your receptors

**SMAN12b** · 03-14-2007, 09:10 PM

as long as your realize that it is mostly diet that will determine how well you cut.
Prop should be shot EOD at the least. ED would be better.
Tren can be used, but I am using Tren now for bulking not cutting, so again it depends on your diet and training more than the compounds used

**jagdpanther** · 03-14-2007, 09:31 PM

I prefer t3 for cutting over clen . Clen makes me nervous and my heart beats faster. With the t3 I just feel hotter then usual and sweat more. I read one
bro's post and he said he got heavy sides from T3. He never specified what they were. iguess I'm one of the lucky ones when it comesto T3-just about everything else gives me sides though.

I agree with the previous poster that test prop at the very least should be EOD, but ED is better.

I think Tren is great for cutting!

**installer** · 03-15-2007, 07:07 AM

Ive been dieting now for about 4weeks and i figured now was the time to trow in some other things, i was trying to match up some esters that i can shoot together. Should i be looking into another type of test? And from everything i have read has lead me to prop because of its very little water weight gain..... I just did some reading on tren and im having a problem deciding between that and the primo... any sugestions would be great.. If i went with tren is there a better test than prop ?

**testisbest** · 03-15-2007, 07:33 AM

Originally Posted by installer

My first cutting cycle and a little confused.... any help would be appreciated... Im looking at Test Prop, Primo, and Clen the things that are tripping me up is that some things i read it tells me to take test eod and some say twice a week, etc.. im looking to put together a clean cutting cycle and with the hundreds of hours ive read i just have to ask... I obviously would like these compounds because very little bloating and very good results ... what i have together is this..

Test prop 500mg/wk eod
Primo 500mg/wk eod
Clen 100mcg ed (pirimid on and off)

10wk program

weight - 205
bf% - 16%
height - 6' 0"

fourth cycle
previous cycles were 1 - Dbol , 2 - dbol test e, 3 - anadrol Andropen275

so please advise with any suggestions .... thanks for your time ....

Hey bro, I don't have anything nice to say about clen so I won't say anything at all. I've never done primo just because of the price and the fact that I can cut or bulk on test alone just by making adjustments to my diet. If you have the primo, the dose looks good although some people say 600mg a week. I'm interested how this cycle works for you. I'm like jagdpanther, clen doesn't treat me well and it seems to put me in a bad mood all day. Sorry I'm not much help on this one.

**installer** · 03-15-2007, 07:39 AM

the reason i asked for you to look is just that, you have been honest with everything i have seen you post and you have helped people when others were just burning them ... thanks for the input .... but i think i might go with tren instead of primo .. do you have any cycle help with that?

**testisbest** · 03-15-2007, 07:50 AM

that is what I would do. Tren a 50mg ED and test p is up to you but I would run it inbetween 50 to 75 mg a day. I don't need high doses of test but you might be different. I would start tren at 50mg a day and if you can handle the sides you can always up it but I think that 350mg of tren a week is enough for a first run at it.

**taiboxa** · 03-15-2007, 07:55 AM

Originally Posted by testisbest

that is what I would do. Tren a 50mg ED and test p is up to you but I would run it inbetween 50 to 75 mg a day. I don't need high doses of test but you might be different. I would start tren at 50mg a day and if you can handle the sides you can always up it but I think that 350mg of tren a week is enough for a first run at it.

yeah TP at 50med would be most ideal as well, as for the tren 50mg ed should be more than ample for a first time tren user, he shud have plenty of years ahead of him.. i hope.

as for clen .. i dont have any probs w/ it.. doesnt do much for me as i already take adderall for ADHD so therein may lie some other issuse but if u want to i say give clen a shot see how it works for u.. just make sure to read up on it.

**installer** · 03-15-2007, 07:56 AM

I tell you what ive been doing ALOT of research on different gear and think that the final word with me is going to be this..... any help with filling in the blanks would be great ....

Test Prop - 600mgs/wk ED
Tren - 350mgs/wk ED
Winny- 350/wk ED
pct is Clomid 100mgs/ed for 10days then 50mgs/ed 10days starting after 2wks

My one question only because this is my first stack is the injections? do i use three needles with different inj sites? do i load up one syringe and go to town slowly into one site? or can i use one needle and just do them one at a time? sorry if this is a dumb question but i cant seem to find any info about it... thanks again for any response ....

**taiboxa** · 03-15-2007, 08:00 AM

Originally Posted by installer

I tell you what ive been doing ALOT of research on different gear and think that the final word with me is going to be this..... any help with filling in the blanks would be great ....

Test Prop - 600mgs/wk ED
Tren - 350mgs/wk ED
Winny- 350/wk ED
pct is Clomid 100mgs/ed for 10days then 50mgs/ed 10days starting after 2wks

My one question only because this is my first stack is the injections? do i use three needles with different inj sites? do i load up one syringe and go to town slowly into one site? or can i use one needle and just do them one at a time? sorry if this is a dumb question but i cant seem to find any info about it... thanks again for any response ....

LOL u dont NEED SO MUCH test.. test isnt going to give u the gains that Nor groups and DHT's will.. infact IMO all you need is enough to replace the naturally occuring test that u will be suppressing.. so 50mg ED is more than ample as its like 3-4x more test than u produce natty, not to mention the mad dht from win.

oh yeah for ur Q.. its simple if u do some more reading around.. use 1 syring pull out both tren/test swap needles inject (DRINK THE WIN dont be a n00b)

**testisbest** · 03-15-2007, 08:04 AM

Yes sir, put it all in the same syringe and find you about 6 inj sites. Make sure that you shoot everyday to keep sides at a min. I'm not a fan of winny and if this was my cycle I'd get var over winny. You still plan on a 10 week cycle? When you get time, post what you ate yesterday. Thanks in advance.

**taiboxa** · 03-15-2007, 08:05 AM

Originally Posted by testisbest

Yes sir, put it all in the same syringe and find you about 6 inj sites. Make sure that you shoot everyday to keep sides at a min. I'm not a fan of winny and if this was my cycle I'd get var over winny. You still plan on a 10 week cycle? When you get time, post what you ate yesterday. Thanks in advance.

var is for women
USE WIN! lol

**testisbest** · 03-15-2007, 08:08 AM

^ you're right but var does the trick and winny kills my joints.

**installer** · 03-15-2007, 08:18 AM

I thought my test was a little high but i didnt think less than 500?
Drinking winny is going to be a problem as my sources can only get it in tabs.
What i ate yesterday was ....
Breakfast:
about 4 eggs scrabled, toast, and milk
Snack:
one 100cal Kudos bar
Lunch:
home made italian sub with mustard, water
Dinner:
4 eggs scrambled, left over steak, milk (i didnt feel like cooking much)
*cough*2 girlscout thinmints *cough* *cough*

as far as injections if you have a link to somewhere i can find the answer to my ? please let me know.. thanks

**mister.fantastic** · 03-15-2007, 08:19 AM

Originally Posted by installer

I tell you what ive been doing ALOT of research on different gear and think that the final word with me is going to be this..... any help with filling in the blanks would be great ....

Test Prop - 600mgs/wk ED
Tren - 350mgs/wk ED
Winny- 350/wk ED
pct is Clomid 100mgs/ed for 10days then 50mgs/ed 10days starting after 2wks

My one question only because this is my first stack is the injections? do i use three needles with different inj sites? do i load up one syringe and go to town slowly into one site? or can i use one needle and just do them one at a time? sorry if this is a dumb question but i cant seem to find any info about it... thanks again for any response ....

My favorite cycle for all intents in purposes: TREN/PROP/WINNY!! Keep us posted on how it works for you. I ran TPW last summer and saw great results and has since become my favorite trio.. Also, i think Tai is right regarding the clen . I would run it with your PCT on a 2 week on/2 week off cycle. Just don't run it over 80-100 mcgs ed. People that do that are stupid .. that is all. Anyway good luck bro

**mister.fantastic** · 03-15-2007, 08:21 AM

Originally Posted by installer

*cough*2 girlscout thinmints *cough* *cough*

those damn girlscouts

**installer** · 03-15-2007, 08:24 AM

Originally Posted by mister.fantastic

My favorite cycle for all intents in purposes: TREN/PROP/WINNY!! Keep us posted on how it works for you. I ran TPW last summer and saw great results and has since become my favorite trio.. Also, i think Tai is right regarding the clen. I would run it with your PCT on a 2 week on/2 week off cycle. Just don't run it over 80-100 mcgs ed. People that do that are stupid .. that is all. Anyway good luck bro

Well since this is what you ran i would love to get some of the advice from you aswell. Maybe a quick program rundown ... does mine look ok ? did you use inj winny or oral?

**testisbest** · 03-15-2007, 08:26 AM

Originally Posted by installer

I thought my test was a little high but i didnt think less than 500?
Drinking winny is going to be a problem as my sources can only get it in tabs.
What i ate yesterday was ....
Breakfast:
about 4 eggs scrabled, toast, and milk
Snack:
one 100cal Kudos bar
Lunch:
home made italian sub with mustard, water
Dinner:
4 eggs scrambled, left over steak, milk (i didnt feel like cooking much)
*cough*2 girlscout thinmints *cough* *cough*

as far as injections if you have a link to somewhere i can find the answer to my ? please let me know.. thanks

siteinject.com I think, just google it. I think you need more cals. even for a cut but you know your body more than me. I'd keep the test at a low dose like around 350 to 500mg a week and let the tren do its job. IMO. I'd like to see how this cycle ends also. Feel free to pm me if you have any questions.

**testisbest** · 03-15-2007, 08:48 AM

I can lay out a leanbulk/cut cycle and diet for you if you want to run longer esters with 2 injects a week. Let me know.

**installer** · 03-15-2007, 09:10 AM

Originally Posted by testisbest

I can lay out a leanbulk/cut cycle and diet for you if you want to run longer esters with 2 injects a week. Let me know.

I would love to be able to only do 2 inj a week. Im willing to see what you have so let me know however. thanks for the help

**testisbest** · 03-15-2007, 09:37 AM

My favorite cycle is a 15 week test E or C and eq. I get test e 250 and take 3/4 of a cc and 300mg of eq 2 times a week and end the eq a week before test. IF your diet is on point and you react well with eq, you'll see great results with little to no sides. Thats 375mg of test a week and 600mg of eq done in 2 shots in the same syringe. When I get a little more time I'll lay out my diet on this cycle. I love this cycle and will do it every year. Keep ameridex on hand just incase you bloat but I doubt you will with that dose of test.

**taiboxa** · 03-15-2007, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by installer

I thought my test was a little high but i didnt think less than 500?
Drinking winny is going to be a problem as my sources can only get it in tabs.
What i ate yesterday was ....
Breakfast:
about 4 eggs scrabled, toast, and milk
Snack:
one 100cal Kudos bar
Lunch:
home made italian sub with mustard, water
Dinner:
4 eggs scrambled, left over steak, milk (i didnt feel like cooking much)
*cough*2 girlscout thinmints *cough* *cough*

as far as injections if you have a link to somewhere i can find the answer to my ? please let me know.. thanks

wow u need WAY WAY more quality protein in there my friend.

**jagdpanther** · 03-15-2007, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by installer

I thought my test was a little high but i didnt think less than 500?
Drinking winny is going to be a problem as my sources can only get it in tabs.
What i ate yesterday was ....
Breakfast:
about 4 eggs scrabled, toast, and milk
Snack:
one 100cal Kudos bar
Lunch:
home made italian sub with mustard, water
Dinner:
4 eggs scrambled, left over steak, milk (i didnt feel like cooking much)
*cough*2 girlscout thinmints *cough* *cough*

as far as injections if you have a link to somewhere i can find the answer to my ? please let me know.. thanks

Bro this diet looks God awful to me. Are all your eggs whole eggs,meaning you include the yolks?
An Italian sub around here means Mortadela,Salami,Provolone and possibly other Italian cold cuts. It is tasty but can you say high saturated fat!
Watch out for your cholesterol and arteries.
Is the bread your using for toast and sandwiches white bread?
Is the milk whole?
This may work for some one young but in the long run it looks like heart disease if not obesity along the way. sorry bro just being honest.

**taiboxa** · 03-15-2007, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by jagdpanther

Bro this diet looks God awful to me. Are all your eggs whole eggs,meaning you include the yolks?
An Italian sub around here means Mortadela,Salami,Provolone and possibly other Italian cold cuts. It is tasty but can you say high saturated fat!
Watch out for your cholesterol and arteries.
Is the bread your using for toast and sandwiches white bread?
Is the milk whole?
This may work for some one young but in the long run it looks like heart disease if not obesity along the way. sorry bro just being honest.

i like saturated fats

**jagdpanther** · 03-15-2007, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by taiboxa

i like saturated fats

I love the taste and texture of fatty cold cuts, egg yolks,and dark chocolate(sat fat is what makes it creamy in texture) but that doesn't mean I eat them regularly. Taiboxa, I understand your point from a previous post about upping cholesterol during PCT but doing that regularly is dangerous unless your one of those rare people they do genetic studies on who can eat whatever.
Your body is fully capable of synthesizing all the saturated fats it needs under normal conditions.
Don't get me wrong cholesterol is needed for cell membranes and hormones among other things, but our bodies make what we need. Most people have a problem with to much saturated fat and cholesterol. IMHO if your not careful with your diet and doing AAS which messes up your HDL/LDL ratio anyway your asking for trouble in the long run.

**taiboxa** · 03-15-2007, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by jagdpanther

I love the taste and texture of fatty cold cuts, egg yolks,and dark chocolate(sat fat is what makes it creamy in texture) but that doesn't mean I eat them regularly. Taiboxa, I understand your point from a previous post about upping cholesterol during PCT but doing that regularly is dangerous unless your one of those rare people they do genetic studies on who can eat whatever.
Your body is fully capable of synthesizing all the saturated fats it needs under normal conditions.
Don't get me wrong cholesterol is needed for cell membranes and hormones among other things, but our bodies make what we need. Most people have a problem with to much saturated fat and cholesterol. IMHO if your not careful with your diet and doing AAS which messes up your HDL/LDL ratio anyway your asking for trouble in the long run.

i know exactly wat ya mean, and fuxin up the lipid profile is wat aas does best IMO.. too many people say LIVER LIVER! but wtf liver is a BEAST!
i say KIDNEYS and LIPID profile first then worry bout ur liver.. lol

anyone know if there are kidneys on ebay for sale?

**jagdpanther** · 03-15-2007, 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by taiboxa

i know exactly wat ya mean, and fuxin up the lipid profile is wat aas does best IMO.. too many people say LIVER LIVER! but wtf liver is a BEAST!
i say KIDNEYS and LIPID profile first then worry bout ur liver.. lol

anyone know if there are kidneys on ebay for sale?

LOL I'll keep my eyes open for the kidneys on ebay!
The liver is a beast, I'm sure I've done more liver damage in college and my early twenties drinking then I could cycling oral AAS. Although I must admit I seem to have a particulary good liver knock on wood.

**installer** · 03-15-2007, 02:46 PM

My "diet" is pretty fair ... testisbest just asked what i ate yesterday, i will admit it wasnt my best day but i assure you my diet is on track... i have lost about 6 lbs in the last 4 weeks just by my diet with very very little cardio ... and i only eat wheat bread, and the milk is 2% but thats not a hugh deal .. and food protein intake is a little lite, but i do have protein shakes everyday to help out a little in that area .... cholestorol is fine too...