help please if you experienced this & know about

[getfit28]

Ok I’m back as I did some more research like I was told by some good people out there. (Thanks for those who tried to help)… Let me tell you a little of what I was doing & what happen….. I’ve done PH’s in the past & now moved on to Test Cyp only, running it for only 7 week. (since this is my first cycle)

1wk 250
2wk 250
3wk 500 (2 shots ) Mon & Thursday
4wk 500 (2 shots ) Mon & Thursday
6wk 500 (2 shots ) Mon & Thursday
7wk 250
8wk 250

And of course my pct with either clomid or noval..

Anyway, those were my plans but on my second week I got signs of gyno with a little bump on y right chest so I put out a thread about this and some did try to help & some blew me off ! Well I was able to get a hold of some letro so I will start taking this with my clycle but the question is how do you recommend the dosage ? also on my second week since I freaked out cause of the problem I skipped a week of injection ( test ) but now with the letro I will get back on it. I don’t think the skipped week will make allot of difference, you think ?

[finny]

First, I would run this at 400mg/wk as most cypionate come at 200mg/ml. If yours comes at 250/ml, then run at 500/wk. 7 weeks is way to short - 10-12wks is much better. You can still taper the last 2 weeks.

I'm not sure if you're trying to save money on your cycle or what? You can try and do lower dosage, but never shorter as cyp is oil based and it kicks in at 3-4 weeks into the cycle. Know this, the more you use, the better the gains - this is true for all test products (within reason).

Letro is an overkill - it's much harsher than arimidex and your libido will suffer as well. I would rather run 0.25 arimidex and 10mg nolva during the cycle to keep gyno at bay. Letro would be better used for heavier cycles.

[taiboxa]

Ok I’m back as I did some more research like I was told by some good people out there.

are you sure? u can goto the educational forum and acquire enough knowldge to compose a cycle worth running.

[jagdpanther]

Letro is an overkill - it's much harsher than arimidex and your libido will suffer as well. I would rather run 0.25 arimidex and 10mg nolva during the cycle to keep gyno at bay. Letro would be better used for heavier cycles.

I am commenting on the letro because that is the only place I have given advice. I knew he was taking test cyp but assumed it to be higher dose.

Either way the guy is already suffering from gyno. Letro in that scenario is not over kill if you take it in moderation. It will not kill your sex drive if taken in moderation. I have used adex, nolva,and femara. I've gotten gyno before while taking adex (due to test,tren,and very low deca -for joints). Femara helps - especially once you have the gyno. Luckily I was one it b4 it got bad.

This was my original response copy and pasted:

I would recommend considering Femara, it is a stronger AI then Adex, and studies have been done that show it may actually reduce existing gyno.
Note with either Femara or Arimadex there is ramp up time of about a week before it is effective. During that time I would recommend taking the nolvadex as it will at least block the estrogen receptors for you.

The last thing you may you may wish to consider is adding a highly androgenic compound, like masteron, to shift your hormone balance in favor of androgens. Although this has been shown to be the least effective form of treatment of gyno it would work synergistically with the other two mentioned above.

Here is a link on gyno that describes the hormonal causes and research on three treatments. If you're pressed for time I would recommend that you at the very least read in what is relevant.

down load either the worddoc or pdf

http://www.endotext.org/male/male14/maleframe14.htm

Jagdpanther

That was the first out of a series of replies I made to his questions.
If he had asked before the cycle I would have recommended Adex because I worry about hdl/ldl values but once you are getting gyno it is a whole different matter. So yes I think my advice is sound, I even recommended taking nolva for instant antiE activity for the period b4 the letro becomes effective.

To getfit28
I spelled out the dosing for you in your last post 2 times. I gave you links to the profile for femara. I asked you to do searches on it. I even gave you links to other peoples experiences. I gave you a link to the difference between SERMs and AIs WTF! If you can't suggest a femara protocol for critique from that information I can only think you were playing me lip service when you said you were going to read it and you had learned your lesson. I wasted my F#$% time.

[Getbig06]

Letro isn't overkill if he already has signs of gyno....

[getfit28]

I am commenting on the letro because that is the only place I have given advice. I knew he was taking test cyp but assumed it to be higher dose.

Either way the guy is already suffering from gyno. Letro in that scenario is not over kill if you take it in moderation. It will not kill your sex drive if taken in moderation. I have used adex, nolva,and femara. I've gotten gyno before while taking adex (due to test,tren,and very low deca -for joints). Femara helps - especially once you have the gyno. Luckily I was one it b4 it got bad.

This was my original response copy and pasted:

I would recommend considering Femara, it is a stronger AI then Adex, and studies have been done that show it may actually reduce existing gyno.
Note with either Femara or Arimadex there is ramp up time of about a week before it is effective. During that time I would recommend taking the nolvadex as it will at least block the estrogen receptors for you.

The last thing you may you may wish to consider is adding a highly androgenic compound, like masteron, to shift your hormone balance in favor of androgens. Although this has been shown to be the least effective form of treatment of gyno it would work synergistically with the other two mentioned above.

Here is a link on gyno that describes the hormonal causes and research on three treatments. If you're pressed for time I would recommend that you at the very least read in what is relevant.

down load either the worddoc or pdf

http://www.endotext.org/male/male14/maleframe14.htm

Jagdpanther

That was the first out of a series of replies I made to his questions.
If he had asked before the cycle I would have recommended Adex because I worry about hdl/ldl values but once you are getting gyno it is a whole different matter. So yes I think my advice is sound, I even recommended taking nolva for instant antiE activity for the period b4 the letro becomes effective.

To getfit28
I spelled out the dosing for you in your last post 2 times. I gave you links to the profile for femara. I asked you to do searches on it. I even gave you links to other peoples experiences. I gave you a link to the difference between SERMs and AIs WTF! If you can't suggest a femara protocol for critique from that information I can only think you were playing me lip service when you said you were going to read it and you had learned your lesson. I wasted my F#$% time.

No Panther, I don't think you wasted your time I just wanted to get other peoples oppion. I still have the dosage you recomended me but I have to admit that I wanted to be safe than sorry. Now that you know that I'm runing a short cycle do you still think it's ok to stick with Letro with the recomended dosage?
Reason I'm running this short cycel is because this is what I was able to get from a friend as a one time deal ( 10ml bottle ) which only has 10 shots. Now as you can already tell I'm not very experience with this yet so I have to find a good source out there so I can get some real good cycles. I figure the more people I meet on here I will eventually find my source....
Since you seem to know your stuff have you heard of Liquifen ? it's suppose to be liquid novaldex & according to the research I did you take this orally but it came in a bottle where you can draw from a neddle ? The bottle also reads for research only do not use, have you heard of this ?

[jagdpanther]

Getfit28
I don't care how short or what the dose of the cycle is. If it were me and I had gyno I would:

1) want to stop its progression asap
2) reduce it as much as possible in an attempt to avoid surgery.

What I said in the very first post was start femara,nolvadex, and possibly add masteron asap, which is exactly what I would do and have done.

As for second, third, and fourth opinions I'm all for them. You however are starting from scratch. With all the suggestions and information given you, you should have thought about it and proposed a plan for critique (Which was my bitch from the first post on this thread) - and it didn't have to be my plan. You decided to start from scratch again - then some idiot like me who doesn't know that you have been given a bunch of information will waste his time trying to bring you up to speed. So purpose a plan and people will tell you what they think. From the information available you should be able to propose a plan that a person may not choose for themselves but would certainly see as being sensible.

As for cycles, people plan their cycles. That means:

1) they establish a goal for the cycle, is it a cutter or a bulker?
2) Next they decide what kinds of diet, excersice, and compounds best suite
their goal
3) they research the side effects of the drugs - often doing so a second,third etc time even if they researched and run it before.
4) they plan PCT
5) they get all the materials they need for the cycle, including anti-Es, and anything they need for pct

They may have to choose a different AAS if the one they want is unavailable,
but they do not do it haphazardly.

They certainly do not or should not base their cycle on the first thing that is available. Nor should they base the dose and length of the cycle on the first thing available. You are just going about the whole thing the wrong way.

You asked if you should start your cycle again. My opinion is no. You can take the femara even if not on cycle to get rid of the gyno. I think you should slow way down and get your act together. Save the test you have, do the time researching, put together a cycle, have it critiqued, revise if necessary, then get the materiels you need.

As for your question.

Since you seem to know your stuff have you heard of Liquifen ? it's suppose to be liquid novaldex & according to the research I did you take this orally but it came in a bottle where you can draw from a neddle ? The bottle also reads for research only do not use, have you heard of this ?

Yes I have heard of "for research only, not for human use". I have seen it many times, usually on the web page for the product you see before making a purchase. Why don't you tell me what you think about it?

There are so many renamed versions of oral SERMs, AIs and everything else that I don't pay attention to the name but rather the ingredients.

Don't be asking for a source, the way you are going about things you are setting yourself up to be scammed and no good source would want to deal
with you IMO.

Seriously bro slow the F^&* down and do it right. No you won't die or anything if you finish your current plan but poor planning and preparation is going to give you a poor product. I could be wrong but if your cycle plan is
indicative of how you diet and train it won't matter what you take.


You are already paying a very heavy price with the gyno for a measly 10ml of 250test, and that was from your first or second shot. You got sides without results. Please think about that.

I wish you good luck,

Jagdpanther

[Froggy]

Start the letro...re-think your cycle...ask the experts & helpfulls...start new cycle...GOOD LUCK