First Cycle- Sust or Test E w/dbol and deca

[t_machine7]

Should I go with Sust or Test E when combining it with Deca(300mg/wk), and Dbol(25-30mg ED) ? Please help me out...not steer me away from gear. Also I have Nolvadex and Hcg...any recommended PCT? Im 180lbs natural very lean. Yes I eat good and yes I lift hard. Sorry ...previous post frustrated me.

[SMAN12b]

Sorry we can not give advice without knowing ALL your stats. if you would kindly answer ALL the green questions below we can help better

It is always advised to only use ONE compound for your first cycle so you can learn what it is doing to your body, both good and bad. why take three compounds and be wondering which one is causing which bad side effects or great gains by itself so you know what to drop or use again.

[SMAN12b]

OK, just checked out your other thread. 19 years old, 6' and ONLY 175

Of coarse you don't like the answers you got cause you are too immature right now to understand that you are NO WAY ready to be using steroids!!

If you were mature enough, you would get that you need a better base and at 6' you should at least be able to get to 200lbs + BEFORE considering AAS

The problem is you want it without doing the work and you don't realize that unless you can be dedicated to the work and diet, you will only get crappy results that you won't even keep most likely but you do get to keep the side effects.

Your diet can NOT be what it should be if you are trying to gain mass, its that simple, and if your diet isn't what it should be now, you are only gonna make matters worse by adding AAS cause they are NOT magic. They need FOOD and the right amounts at the right times in order to work.

Sorry, i know this isn't what you want to hear, but it is the truth.

[t_machine7]

Ok...I can appreciate. Its just Im having serious trouble gaining. Im not looking to do this as a life time thing...Im going into the military and want to put some size on thats all. I do fully understand that my diet would need adjusted obviously...and maintained after...also I dont want magic..Ive been lifting for a while now 5 years in all...3-4 hard. Im looking to step it up to the next level and keep most of my gains by taking deca and following with proper PCT. If im goin to do it anyways...I might as well do it right. Im looking at a one time deal right now...in the future I may cycle more. Plz gimme some real input...and not just criticism.

[t_machine7]

PS...I work very hard and Im willing to work harder...(I dont really know if it possible..but ill try.)

[SMAN12b]

Ok...I can appreciate. Its just Im having serious trouble gaining. Im not looking to do this as a life time thing...Im going into the military and want to put some size on thats all. I do fully understand that my diet would need adjusted obviously...and maintained after...also I dont want magic..Ive been lifting for a while now 5 years in all...3-4 hard. Im looking to step it up to the next level and keep most of my gains by taking deca and following with proper PCT. If im goin to do it anyways...I might as well do it right. Im looking at a one time deal right now...in the future I may cycle more. Plz gimme some real input...and not just criticism.

Let me tell you about trouble gaining.......lololol

I am eating every TWO freaking hours in order to gain.......do I want to do that, HELL NO, do I enjoy doing that .....HELL NO........do I like my entire day, life revolving around food and when I have to eat next, not to mention feeling bloated from one meal to the next/////HELL NO

BUT.......is it working....HELL YES !!!!!!

in the past 6.5 weeks I have put on 25-30 lbs of quality mass. and i just turned 42, so if an old fart like me can do it, you gonna tell me a young stallion like you doesn't have the guts to do it right?????

So, again, I will say if you can't gain without steroids, what makes you think that you will gain with them.

Steroids require more food, more calories more times a day then when you are not on steroids. the only exception is when you are cutting up and not trying to gain mass

You want the next level to STEP IT UP....there you go, get your diet in order and when you do, you will grow like a monster on steroids.

What do I have to gain by telling you NOT to do them now??? absolutely NOTHING....except the fact that I may have saved you from some bad shit down the road
but its up to you

if your gonna do it, DO testosterone ONLY for 10 weeks PERIOD plus the right PCT


OH, and do you know how many people we hear say they are only gonna do this ONCE???.....LOLOLOLOL I was one of them 7 years ago and now on my 6th cycle

Don't kid yourself, once you pop, you can't stop

[t_machine7]

Thanks..The test E or Sust? And the Test wont last will it lol? Isnt that why Deca is stacked...only test would make me have to do more cycles to keep gains right? And the PCT is a must I agree.

[t_machine7]

I know u said Test,... would Dbol for 4wks hurt to kickstart?

[t_machine7]

And PCT ...Nolvadex and Hcg fine?

[Act of God]

Ok...I can appreciate. Its just Im having serious trouble gaining. Im not looking to do this as a life time thing...Im going into the military and want to put some size on thats all. I do fully understand that my diet would need adjusted obviously...and maintained after...also I dont want magic..Ive been lifting for a while now 5 years in all...3-4 hard. Im looking to step it up to the next level and keep most of my gains by taking deca and following with proper PCT. If im goin to do it anyways...I might as well do it right. Im looking at a one time deal right now...in the future I may cycle more. Plz gimme some real input...and not just criticism.

Man, you're only 19. You definitely haven't been lifting for 5 years, and if you have you most likely weren't doing anything productive for most of that time. You seriously need to listen to the "pros" here. Sorry if it isn't what you want to hear.

If you are hell bent on not listening to people who know what they are talking about, at least heed the advice and only do test for your first cycle. I know you asked for no criticism, but you leave no other option.

[SMAN12b]

I would use Test E over sust any day of the week, but some like sust. I don't need the 4 different esters to deal with . One ester works just fine

Keeping gains has less to do with the compounds used and MUCH more to do with what YOU do after the cycle. Proper PCT, Proper eating, Proper training, most inexperienced people think that when the cycle is over they can get a little lazy with diet and training, and thus they lose their gains,

You can keep gains from a test only cycle
Yes you can kickstart with dbol, but understand it is mostly WATER weight you will gain and you will not keep much gains from dbol but it can be used to kick

again, I do NOT think you are ready, but sounds like I am beating a dead horse, so GOOD LUCK

[t_machine7]

Got ya...I just dont wanna blow up then loose it all man. But if Test alone is what u suggest ...ill take it. Isnt just test lost tho? Test E I hear is better for beginners than Sust...am I safe to assume this?

[t_machine7]

Last post was for Act of God

[Cat316]

I was round your age when i started man...trully wish i waited a year or two...3 compounds is way to much. Honestly your nat test is high as hell right now u dont need it buy i know your not gana listed so i say E over sust

[saucemonkey52]

well an option not going through his head is "should i take steroids" yes, he probly is going to with or without help so might as well guide him

[t_machine7]

Thanks man...your prolly right...but im sure you can understand my point of veiw...obviously less mature...Idk I think im goin for it and ill bust my nuts after maybe pick up an OTC test booster when im done along with the Hcg and Nolva...what about proviron.....lol also I hear a million responses to when to start the PCT...any clue?

[saucemonkey52]

on test e your pct should start 2 weeks after last injection

[t_machine7]

Thanks saucemonkey52...right on. And Cat316...also

[t_machine7]

Gotcha...now the PCT your refering to is the Hcg or the nolvadex or both? sorry man...break it down Barney style for the newb thanks man

[t_machine7]

Welp...I guess im gunna skip out on the deca guys...Ill just go Test E 500mg and kick it off with a month of dbol...followed by a PCT...When I find a good one.

[Titleist]

Do yourself a favor and make sure you have a good diet. That means knowing what you are going to eat the day before you eat it. Plan out your calories, carbs, protein and fat intake for the day. Food is the key when using AAS trust me. Calculate how many calories you are burning daily and adjust your diet to fit your needs. Its obvious you haven't done all of your research but since you are going to use AAS anyway just do it the right way. Good luck

[SMAN12b]

And thanks to SMAN12B for taking the time trying to explain why I really don't need to do this right now even though I am gonna do it anyway.....LOLOLOLOL


good luck man

[t_machine7]

Thanks man. Im on the research now about the diet. I have a fast metabolism as it is..now Id be anxious to know how to obtain a diet to fit my needs...I understand basic concepts of protein and calories intake...however, I dont know how many ill burn...good point. Im assuming high calorie, 2 grams of protien per lb bodyweight minimum. Any thoughts on Nolvadex...i..e when to take it (not including if I get signs of gyno during the cycle) ?

[t_machine7]

SMAN ...lolol...Us young ones are bull headed...I hope I dont find out the hard way man! But Im goin to get shit strait b4 I do anything...thats how I am with everything...ie diet first lol

[Act of God]

Got ya...I just dont wanna blow up then loose it all man. But if Test alone is what u suggest ...ill take it. Isnt just test lost tho? Test E I hear is better for beginners than Sust...am I safe to assume this?

You already came to your own conclusion, but neither is really better for beginners IMO. I didn't like how my body reacted to Sust (my first cycle) afterwards, I got reallllllllllllllly bad bacne. I think it is because I injected 2 times a week and all the different esters left me with fluctuating blood hormone levels. I am 2 weeks into straight up Test E (500mg/week) and I am counting on more stable levels.

They are both test, just the release differs. Sust is best shot EOD to take advantage of the propinate in it.

[t_machine7]

Yea I went ahead for the single ester....Test E also. I figure will all of the 4 ester that the sust has...shit could be real unstable due to the diff time releases like u said. Im pretty cut now, but after my cycle I may not be...what did you do to get cut/stay cut? Btw...thanks for being reasonable, I realize I dont have anyones approval.

[SMAN12b]

Yea I went ahead for the single ester....Test E also. I figure will all of the 4 ester that the sust has...shit could be real unstable due to the diff time releases like u said. Im pretty cut now, but after my cycle I may not be...what did you do to get cut/stay cut? Btw...thanks for being reasonable, I realize I dont have anyones approval.

its all in the diet and training......no secret here

[t_machine7]

Gotcha. I.e. Have heavy days-low reps high weight. Light days...cardio and high reps low weight and eat ALOT...but healthy.