HGH and Test Q

[DrHacksq]

HGH and Test Q...

Test 300-500mg and HGH (not sure on dose yet)
12 week cycle and PCT.

How would you do it consider the following?

Stats:
Never used HGH before.
39 years old.
10 years serious training experience.
***Been off about 10 years (but will be back at it for 8 months before starting this cycle). This makes me think I'll get great gains, almost like the first time I ever cycled.
I have some moderate hair loss issues and will use a variety of topicals (and maybe supplements) to minimize the Test. sides of hair loss.
*Have always gotten A LOT out of LITTLE in terms of cycles, especially because I do not rely on cycle abuse for gains, but get everything together perfectly for long periods of time before hand, and afterward.
As an example: *NATURALLY (clean 2 years) I have been 225-230 (small frame and joints) at 6'0'' at 8% b.f. benching 400, and squatting 550 full slow clean reps, by doing everything right (sleep, training, and food).
Have done about 5 cycles all moderate, but all of them were over 10 years ago. Each one produced great gains.

Goals, to use the HGH in conjunction with a low/moderate dosage of Test. Cyp. so as to minimize some of the sides of roids (Test.) like hair loss, irritability. Also to strengthen connective tissues... I easily get too strong too fast, and thus can be prone to connective tissue damage if I am not careful. Also age and thus natural lower GH levels can play into this.

Basically I am making a B-Building comeback, and want good gains from smaller, more effective cycles, with the idea that a moderate amount of HGH might be the ticket.

Any suggestions would be great.

Thanks

[taiboxa]

HGH and Test Q...

Test 300-500mg and HGH (not sure on dose yet)
12 week cycle and PCT.

How would you do it consider the following?

Stats:
Never used HGH before.
39 years old.
10 years serious training experience.
***Been off about 10 years (but will be back at it for 8 months before starting this cycle). This makes me think I'll get great gains, almost like the first time I ever cycled.
I have some moderate hair loss issues and will use a variety of topicals (and maybe supplements) to minimize the Test. sides of hair loss.
*Have always gotten A LOT out of LITTLE in terms of cycles, especially because I do not rely on cycle abuse for gains, but get everything together perfectly for long periods of time before hand, and afterward.
As an example: *NATURALLY (clean 2 years) I have been 225-230 (small frame and joints) at 6'0'' at 8% b.f. benching 400, and squatting 550 full slow clean reps, by doing everything right (sleep, training, and food).
Have done about 5 cycles all moderate, but all of them were over 10 years ago. Each one produced great gains.

Goals, to use the HGH in conjunction with Test. Cyp. so as to minimize some of the sides of roids, like hair loss, irritability. Also to strengthen connective tissues...
Basically I am making a B-Building comeback, but want good gains from smaller, more effective cycles.

Any suggestions would be great.

Thanks

from reading the above sounds like u have ur shit together. what i would propose for your GH is if ur doing it for HEALTH PURPOSES stay around 4-6iu ED maybe a 5on 2off type of regiment. i personally like it EVERY DAY. if ur trying to get more than just healthy lipid profile and better sleep i would try to work ur way up to atleast 12iu ED as that is when i actually notice SOMETHING happening though i really dont know wat it is lol.

as i have used gh .. and alot of it in the past.. and imo it just doesnt do it for me .. though it did help w/ a injured pec issue and fat loss but thats bout it.

i dont really like gh imo its cost too much for too little where if u can find quality IGF then u get way way more bang for ur buck.

as for ur aas regiment in all honesty test is good but very very weak. i would say run ur test at almost a TRT protocol say anywhere from 125-300mg/wk and utilize a far more effective compound...

[DrHacksq]

from reading the above sounds like u have ur shit together. what i would propose for your GH is if ur doing it for HEALTH PURPOSES stay around 4-6iu ED maybe a 5on 2off type of regiment. i personally like it EVERY DAY. if ur trying to get more than just healthy lipid profile and better sleep i would try to work ur way up to atleast 12iu ED as that is when i actually notice SOMETHING happening though i really dont know wat it is lol.

as i have used gh .. and alot of it in the past.. and imo it just doesnt do it for me .. though it did help w/ a injured pec issue and fat loss but thats bout it.

i dont really like gh imo its cost too much for too little where if u can find quality IGF then u get way way more bang for ur buck.

as for ur aas regiment in all honesty test is good but very very weak. i would say run ur test at almost a TRT protocol say anywhere from 125-300mg/wk and utilize a far more effective compound...

Thanks for the response. And yes, I try to do things right and methodically...

Some q's though.

1. I'm not familiar with IGF... Only simple straight steroids, which were about all you would get safely 10+ years ago. So I am interested in other compounds, and hormones, to do in conjunction with Test. but am going to have to do a lot more research. Any suggestions (on both the research and which compounds)?

2. "TRT protocol's?" Web lingo might not be coming through for me on that one, sorry... basically the last paragraph went over my head.

3. Lipid profiles are somewhat important to me health-wise, although I think they might be managed well with impeccable nutritional habits on cycle... But the hair issue to me is even more important. So basically I'll do all the preventative stuff (topical and supplemental - but not propecia - because I do not want to hinder the gains) but want to try to minimize hair loss by wisely choosing the right doses and compounds. That is one reason I thought about HGH. I am not aware of hair loss issues associated with its usage...

Thanks again.

[huzurdaddy]

just remember that HGH is not taken like AAS as a short, 12 week cycle.. it takes 3-6 months for it to kick in, then is very subtle. I'm 35, and have been on 4IUs of HGH for 9 months now.. some fast loss, better sleep, etc... but i'm also stacking 300mg/week of Test along with 400mg Primo and about to stack 40mg/day of anavar.

synergistically, they all work good together - but like i said, HGH needs to be taken for longer times (which costs money, naturally) and is not just stop/start like AAS. At your age (39?) i'd make it more of a lifestyle thing if you can afford it.. i intend to keep running it for a while, maybe take a break if i feel like it..

like Tai said, if you want to GAIN from HGH, you need to really up the dosage to 8-12IU/day or more, and then you have to slowly ramp up to that dosage otherwise your joints will kill you and the carpel tunnel is a bitch.

just my .02...

[Pooks]

Proepcia hinders strength,but you will still pack on the size.
That is because propecia blocks DHT.

DHT binds to receptors in the central nervous system,
Testosterone binds to receptors in the Skeletal muscles.

with propecia, you will actually increase your testosterone amount because it's not going to be turning into DHT as much.. that will be an increase in skeletal muscle stimulation. Putting on size.

Downsize is, less DHT is less stimulating of the nervous system, which also plays a big role in strength, like balance etc.. also an increase in estrogen to keep an eye out for.

HERE IS THE THING THO.
When you are on a steroid cycle, your DHT levels get elevated Also.
Although DHT is good for strength gains, a little too much of something is never good. It will also Accelerate hairloss.
Propecia doesnt block all the DHT anyways, only about 70%.. so while being on a cycle it might be wise to do propecia... Even with propecia you should still be left with enough DHT for normal functioning, especially when on a cycle.
THIS IS MOSTLY PARAPHRASED FROM A PATRICK ARNOLD ARTICLE ON DHT.

now another thing I have been seeing lately..
is the idea of placing Propecia (FINASTERIDE) or even better DUTASTERIDE.. as a topical..
basically what you would do is, dilute it in water, and than put a dose of it, in with your ROGAINE.
so when you apply rogaine, there is also propecia in there,,
that was in enters the scalp with the rogaine, and in theory that way you would be localizing the area, where you are blocking DHT.
so you would not be blocking the DHT where it is needed, like the CNS.
just in your scalp.

[DrHacksq]

Proepcia hinders strength,but you will still pack on the size.
That is because propecia blocks DHT.

DHT binds to receptors in the central nervous system,
Testosterone binds to receptors in the Skeletal muscles.

with propecia, you will actually increase your testosterone amount because it's not going to be turning into DHT as much.. that will be an increase in skeletal muscle stimulation. Putting on size.

Downsize is, less DHT is less stimulating of the nervous system, which also plays a big role in strength, like balance etc.. also an increase in estrogen to keep an eye out for.

HERE IS THE THING THO.
When you are on a steroid cycle, your DHT levels get elevated Also.
Although DHT is good for strength gains, a little too much of something is never good. It will also Accelerate hairloss.
Propecia doesnt block all the DHT anyways, only about 70%.. so while being on a cycle it might be wise to do propecia... Even with propecia you should still be left with enough DHT for normal functioning, especially when on a cycle.
THIS IS MOSTLY PARAPHRASED FROM A PATRICK ARNOLD ARTICLE ON DHT.

now another thing I have been seeing lately..
is the idea of placing Propecia (FINASTERIDE) or even better DUTASTERIDE.. as a topical..
basically what you would do is, dilute it in water, and than put a dose of it, in with your ROGAINE.
so when you apply rogaine, there is also propecia in there,,
that was in enters the scalp with the rogaine, and in theory that way you would be localizing the area, where you are blocking DHT.
so you would not be blocking the DHT where it is needed, like the CNS.
just in your scalp.

Yes, but in your avatar your head is just about BALD!

No, but seriously, serious thanks for additional info that is very useful!!!

[DrHacksq]

just remember that HGH is not taken like AAS as a short, 12 week cycle.. it takes 3-6 months for it to kick in, then is very subtle. I'm 35, and have been on 4IUs of HGH for 9 months now.. some fast loss, better sleep, etc... but i'm also stacking 300mg/week of Test along with 400mg Primo and about to stack 40mg/day of anavar.

synergistically, they all work good together - but like i said, HGH needs to be taken for longer times (which costs money, naturally) and is not just stop/start like AAS. At your age (39?) i'd make it more of a lifestyle thing if you can afford it.. i intend to keep running it for a while, maybe take a break if i feel like it..

like Tai said, if you want to GAIN from HGH, you need to really up the dosage to 8-12IU/day or more, and then you have to slowly ramp up to that dosage otherwise your joints will kill you and the carpel tunnel is a bitch.

just my .02...

Worth more than 2 cents to me!! Thanks.

[taiboxa]

Thanks for the response. And yes, I try to do things right and methodically...

Some q's though.

1. I'm not familiar with IGF... Only simple straight steroids, which were about all you would get safely 10+ years ago. So I am interested in other compounds, and hormones, to do in conjunction with Test. but am going to have to do a lot more research. Any suggestions (on both the research and which compounds)?

2. "TRT protocol's?" Web lingo might not be coming through for me on that one, sorry... basically the last paragraph went over my head.

3. Lipid profiles are somewhat important to me health-wise, although I think they might be managed well with impeccable nutritional habits on cycle... But the hair issue to me is even more important. So basically I'll do all the preventative stuff (topical and supplemental - but not propecia - because I do not want to hinder the gains) but want to try to minimize hair loss by wisely choosing the right doses and compounds. That is one reason I thought about HGH. I am not aware of hair loss issues associated with its usage...

Thanks again.

i like igf way more than GH
TRT is test replacement therapy might be answered in above posts i dunno.. just replacing ur suppressed test w/ a dosage similar to ones own production to off set suppression.
i dont know bout hair but pooks is on it.