Tren/masteron cycle (NO TEST!)

**michaelmotorcycle** · 03-19-2007, 07:14 AM

27 yrs old
175lb
12%bf
9 years lifting
3 cycle

my next cycle, i need some help cleaning it up. Constructive critisizm pls.

1-10 tren 100mg eod
1-10 Masteron 100 eod
5-10 winny 40mg ed (not too sure if i am gonna include the winnys)
1-10 letro .5mg ed

pct: hcg , clomid

Should i do something diffrent? should i include the winny or not? PS i already know i am not gonna be able to use me dick, so please do not tell me i need test. i have chosen not to include test in my cycle.

**jagdpanther** · 03-19-2007, 07:31 AM

Originally Posted by michaelmotorcycle

27 yrs old
175lb
12%bf
9 years lifting
3 cycle

my next cycle, i need some help cleaning it up. Constructive critisizm pls.

1-10 tren 100mg eod
1-10 Masteron 100 eod
5-10 winny 40mg ed (not too sure if i am gonna include the winnys)
1-10 letro .5mg ed

pct: hcg , clomid

Should i do something diffrent? should i include the winny or not? PS i already know i am not gonna be able to use me dick, so please do not tell me i need test. i have chosen not to include test in my cycle.

Why are you taking letro if you won't be doing test? You won't have to worry about natty test being converted either becuase of the tren shutdown. Especially since masteron already has already has some anti e properties?
No test? - its your body but its not just that your dick won't work, you won't have desire. What is spring without desire? - none of my business but you won't find me condoning it.

**taiboxa** · 03-19-2007, 08:20 AM

Originally Posted by michaelmotorcycle

27 yrs old
175lb
12%bf
9 years lifting
3 cycle

my next cycle, i need some help cleaning it up. Constructive critisizm pls.

1-10 tren 100mg eod
1-10 Masteron 100 eod
5-10 winny 40mg ed (not too sure if i am gonna include the winnys)
1-10 letro .5mg ed

pct: hcg , clomid

Should i do something diffrent? should i include the winny or not? PS i already know i am not gonna be able to use me dick, so please do not tell me i need test. i have chosen not to include test in my cycle.

i dont give a flip bout ur pecker.. wat i dont understand is ur pct w/o nolva, and i dont understand why you would run win and mast together.. to much of the same thing i would keep it simple..

personally i would run a TRT dose of test to maintain physiological stability as ur body DOES NEED TEST to operate Normally just not a turck load like most people parrot around here.. i run about 125mg/wk-200mg TestE/Wk when i run tren as i dont like to have whole lot of aromatization going on but i do like to feel SOMEWHAT normal, plus i have read that test can help improves oxygen uptake throughout the body and aid in issues w/ blood sugar though i havent lookd up the sources cited at the end of these studies so could be TOTTAL b.s. like many articles are, of course some people do just fine w/o test so to each their own. just be smart w/ wat ever you do.

**Haro3** · 03-19-2007, 09:04 AM

yea i agree with the masteron + winny combo i dont really like it...two dhts not necessary and could have some nasty lil sides come along with it...

**michaelmotorcycle** · 03-19-2007, 09:59 AM

ok so ill drop the winny, how does the doseage look to you guys, is it good?..... as far as the test goes, if i feel like i am messed up ill add some test, but if i am good without it i would prefer not to....

**jagdpanther** · 03-19-2007, 10:06 AM

I still don't understand why your running the letro. Where is the estrogen its suppossed to inhibit from formimg come from? Maybe youhave a good reason for the letro, if so please explain. I don't claim to know it all.

**michaelmotorcycle** · 03-19-2007, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by jagdpanther

I still don't understand why your running the letro. Where is the estrogen its suppossed to inhibit from formimg come from? Maybe youhave a good reason for the letro, if so please explain. I don't claim to know it all.

the progestenic sides of tren could reslut of the growth of brest tissue. And since i am at 12% bf, i am at a higher risk of running into that problem. I would like to be on the safe side.... most likley ill be okay without it, but i don't like taking risks.

**plzr8** · 03-19-2007, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by michaelmotorcycle

PS i already know i am not gonna be able to use me dick, so please do not tell me i need test. i have chosen not to include test in my cycle.

you need to check your priorities my man!

**marcus300** · 03-19-2007, 10:12 AM

Why dont you want to introduce any test?

**hardgainer1** · 03-19-2007, 10:12 AM

just use test, it will solve your pene probs

**michaelmotorcycle** · 03-19-2007, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by marcus300

Why dont you want to introduce any test?

I had some problems in the past with sust, it made me devleop some gyno. i distroyed it with an overkill dose of letro & arimdex. but now i am scared of the same thing happining agian. and since i am married, i can go for 3 months without sex.

**jagdpanther** · 03-19-2007, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by michaelmotorcycle

the progestenic sides of tren could reslut of the growth of brest tissue. And since i am at 12% bf, i am at a higher risk of running into that problem. I would like to be on the safe side.... most likley ill be okay without it, but i don't like taking risks.

Thanks for the reply,

okay, you have a reason not sure what I think about it yet, but i respect that you have one. I started a test, tren , masteron , t3, igf, mgf cycle (I'm running hgh anyway) with some heavy front loading of test and tren - both long and short esters. I didn't start the masteron until half way through week two when I pulled the short estered tren and test out of the loop for the most part.(No I won't plug in specific numbers, as I don't want to give noobs any bad ideas).
I also front loaded the femara 1mg ED for the first seven and have since cut it back down to .5mg EOD. I found the femara to be every effective so far.
Just saying it works very well as the test/nandrolone combo in the past has given rise to gyno issues for me. oh by the way I'm at 13% BF(winter weight gain

) - I had it checked at the gym last thursday for shits and giggles -although those electric scales with the special foot pads aren't the most accurate.

I think I may try taiboxa's suggestion of running low test and see what that does for me. I'll have to rewrite my plan though.

**michaelmotorcycle** · 03-19-2007, 10:50 AM

sman, advice pls

**taiboxa** · 03-19-2007, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by michaelmotorcycle

the progestenic sides of tren could reslut of the growth of brest tissue. And since i am at 12% bf, i am at a higher risk of running into that problem. I would like to be on the safe side.... most likley ill be okay without it, but i don't like taking risks.

well.. the progest sides should not be an issue.. like jagd said you have no esrogen to begin with! and since ur not using HCG during cycle ur gold in this area so downgrading progest recepters is pointless... and yes w/ sust and all testosteron the aromatization will defintely make issues in the gyno area if ur prone to it, but there are ways to manage these issues through lower dosages, ancillaires and even diet to an extent (i heard it some where just wanted to resurect it)

i would definetly revise ur pct so that ur hcg is ran PRIOR to starting ur PCT Nolva/Clom/Arimidex (u can actually leave out clomid as its not neccessary)
if ur not going to run TRT then i suggest having some suspension on hand just incease the shit hits the fan.. yeah i was married once.. and sex 2-3 times a month was considered "GETTIN REAL BUSY"