After 2 years off... I think i just might...

[Drummerboy]

...do another cycle. I think im gonna keep it simple, keep the sides down and the gains up. This is a simple yet very effective bulker that helps your joints stay buttery, and your gains huge. Recovery is not too bad. If your new to this DO NOT use these doses, maybe a half. NOT A NOOB CYCLE.

WEEK 1-6 50-100mg Anadrol ED (yes, its pretty safe to stay on 6 weeks)
WEEK 1-10 200mg Deca EOD
WEEK 1-12 300mg Test E EOD

On hand :

Nolvadex, Arimidex (maybe aromasin instead), HCG. These will be used on cycle if necessary, to combat gyno. Sometimes I see a little while on... sometimes not. This is how id run it while on :
HCG 500iu E4D
Nolva 20mg ED
Arimidex .5mg ED

PCT :

(2 weeks after last Test E shot)
WEEK 1-2 500iu HCG EOD
WEEK 1-4 20-40mg Nolva ED (depending if HCG causes a bit of gyno)
WEEK 1-4 Arimidex - 1mg ED

INJECTION ROUTINE :
4 sites : glutes and thighs. Each time i repeat a site, i stay 1 inch away from last injection there. Works well for me. Please note that these esters dont need to be shot so often, its my pref. to go more often/less volume/normal concentrations.

DIET :

3000-4000 Cal. a day, lots of clean protien carbs and fat! all the water i can handle.

WORKOUTS :

1 hour a day, minimum 5 days a week, HEAVY compounds, 15 min isolated of choice. No cardio except 5 min warmup on cycle, row, whatever.

***sleep!!! 8 hours a night - no drinking, rec drugs etc.

I recommend this routine to anyone with a couple cycles under thier belt. It added 12-14 lean pounds last time. Lots of water too (another 15) but you can shed it if you know how.

COMMENTS ARE WELCOME!!!

~DB~

[Snrf]

For all you noobs out there, this is a simple yet very effective bulker that helps your joints stay buttery, and your gains huge. Recovery is not too bad.

WEEK 1-6 50-100mg Anadrol ED
WEEK 1-10 200mg Deca EOD
WEEK 1-12 300mg Test E EOD

Don't recommend noobs run 100mg Drol ED, 700mg Deca and 1050mg Test a week....cuz someone will run it

[PROTEINSHAKE]

why shoot the test E EOD? & the deca EOD? totally unnecessary..

[topnotch]

This is something crazy to recommend to newbies...IMO that shouldn't be recommended at all man.

[Pooks]

Scale that down bro, run something similiar to your first cycle.
2 years off, is like the first cycle all over again.

[fLgAtOr]

I thought you disappeared for a while...

I like it...And I'm sure you weren't recomending dosages for others, just compounds.

My thoughts are on the ancillaries. Drop the nolva during...I think it sucks, in my personal opinion. Keep the arimidex.

For PCT, I would run aromasin in place of arimidex. I ran a Nolva/Aromasin/HCG PCT last time and loved it.

Are you one of those that have found shooting longer esters more frequestly beneficial? I know there are a couple others that do...

[NewVader]

I'd dropp the drol and bumb up the injectables a bit...

[Snrf]

I'd dropp the drol and bumb up the injectables a bit...

oh great idea!

why not try a gram of test/deca ED?....

[Titleist]

oh great idea!

why not try a gram of test/deca ED?....

That may be my next cycle...

[NightWolf]

WTF, why EOD on deca? just use your whole 800mg once a week instead. or go with NPP/PROP and make the cycle shorter..

[iggyh28]

How did your body react with all that time off? Did you train during that time? Did you get fat? or did you stay lean?

[Hellmaskbanned]

Nice bulker.
From the dosages I'm guessing your pretty large. What's your stats? and how many past cycles?
I would choose aromasin over arimidex to answer your ?
Watch your Bloodpressure. I would turn into a water balloon on that cycle. If holding water is not a problem and bp doesn't go up no need for AI's IMO....
Why only 5 minutes of cardio? Why not keep your heart healthy while during the bulker? 30 minutes of light cardio won't stop muscle gain, iwll only benefit your cardiovascular health especially on a cycle such as this.

[Drummerboy]

Crap ill edit... i wasnt recommending the doses to new people just the compounds... will edit...

[Drummerboy]

I thought you disappeared for a while...

I like it...And I'm sure you weren't recomending dosages for others, just compounds.

My thoughts are on the ancillaries. Drop the nolva during...I think it sucks, in my personal opinion. Keep the arimidex.

For PCT, I would run aromasin in place of arimidex. I ran a Nolva/Aromasin/HCG PCT last time and loved it.

Are you one of those that have found shooting longer esters more frequestly beneficial? I know there are a couple others that do...

no i wasnt recommending the doses ooops its edited... and yes i agree with you on the ancillaries - i dont use em on unless i have to... and yes i find shooting long esters more often is better... its personal opinion on the effects tho - thnx fer not flamin LOL

[Drummerboy]

WTF, why EOD on deca? just use your whole 800mg once a week instead. or go with NPP/PROP and make the cycle shorter..

if i wanted to do NPP/TP i would (again), i dont shoot huge volumes, and i can grow steady for this time period. Its highly individual, it just works for me.

[Drummerboy]

Nice bulker.
From the dosages I'm guessing your pretty large. What's your stats? and how many past cycles?
I would choose aromasin over arimidex to answer your ?
Watch your Bloodpressure. I would turn into a water balloon on that cycle. If holding water is not a problem and bp doesn't go up no need for AI's IMO....
Why only 5 minutes of cardio? Why not keep your heart healthy while during the bulker? 30 minutes of light cardio won't stop muscle gain, iwll only benefit your cardiovascular health especially on a cycle such as this.

Ive only done a handfull of cycles, im a lose 210pds now at 5-9. I found i kept a LOT of my last runs, but i swore off tren. Makes me crazy and my bp skyrockets - super strong androgen. Deca was great, nice and smooth. My bp is better on deca too. I do water up also... aromasin is what im leaning towards too... Oh ya, to tell you the truth, i dont have much time for long workouts and im a little lazy, hence the short cardio... i do play hockey and am active tho, which fills the void there... thnx for the advice

~DB~

[Drummerboy]

How did your body react with all that time off? Did you train during that time? Did you get fat? or did you stay lean?

i got lazy and comfortable, trained very little and got a little fat back... but the strength is still here, and good ol' muscle memory is a nice helper... My body reacted like usual, i was out of balance for several months, then balanced out again. No more super long iron man humping sessions, but i now have balls!!

[taiboxa]

i see no need for the test to be higher than 500mg/wk in any cycle.
600-700mgDeca/wk is lil high but not BAD by anymeans as its androgenic aspects are low. if i were to revamp it to get most bang for ur buck i would go 200-300mg/Test/wk and keep the deca as high as tolerable/reasonable.
drol is good DHT stacks well w/ NORgroups

[Drummerboy]

i see no need for the test to be higher than 500mg/wk in any cycle.
600-700mgDeca/wk is lil high but not BAD by anymeans as its androgenic aspects are low. if i were to revamp it to get most bang for ur buck i would go 200-300mg/Test/wk and keep the deca as high as tolerable/reasonable.
drol is good DHT stacks well w/ NORgroups

Thnx Tai -
I was wondering... why would you keep the test low? Is it a curve of diminishing returns? To much androgen? I know tren gets me a little wound tight... whadoyathink? I do remember the days when 250 sust a week showed good results LOL!

~DB~

[Swifto]

Personally, I'd either run the Arimidex throughout at a relitively low dose of 0.5mg/EOD, or run it from your last testosterone shot, right through PCT at the dose you suggested (1mg/ED).

Estrogen is more suppressive to your HPTA than anything else. So keep it within normal ranges or get it down when needed IMHO.

[Swifto]

Personally, I'd either run the Arimidex throughout at a relitively low dose of 0.5mg/EOD, or run it from your last testosterone shot, right through PCT at the dose you suggested (1mg/ED).

Estrogen is more suppressive to your HPTA than anything else. So keep it within normal ranges or get it down when needed IMHO.

[taiboxa]

Thnx Tai -
I was wondering... why would you keep the test low? Is it a curve of diminishing returns? To much androgen? I know tren gets me a little wound tight... whadoyathink? I do remember the days when 250 sust a week showed good results LOL!

~DB~

because.. first i hate having high amounts of androgens in me... makes me feel very lethargic, 2ndly if i am going to choose a strong androgen .. IM GOING W/ TREN! especially since test is fairly weak.
also increasing test.. increases estrogen.. and i hate having high amounts of estrogen..