Bro had heart attack while on

[rodosman]

One of my good brothern at the gym had a heart attack a couple days ago and is now in the hospital. He is 35 years old! He has done at least 6 cycles. THe doctor told him that steroids grew his heart to an overlysized one. I have done some research and it seems as the doctor could be right. I also read in MD that lifting heavy weights can enlarge your heart. Can anyone with some knowledge chime in. I would like to know if its possible to do gear and not put our hearts at risk. He was on 600 mg Test E/week.

[worldpower]

this is one of the scariest things i have heard, i wonder what the chances are for it to happen or if maybe we can moniter the heart size

[maxex]

the heart is a muscle

[BigGuy5420]

did he get his bloodwork done frequently?

[jagdpanther]

Was his heart enlarged or thickened?
my understanding is that weight training can thicken the heart while lots of cardio increases its volume or enlarges it. Both have their good and bad points. As usual its when the condition becomes over pronounced that it is a health risk.

[nbkandrew13]

1 was he taking a responsible amount,2 was he cycling off to give his body a chance to rest, 3 is there a history of heart problems?

[plzr8]

1 was he taking a responsible amount,2 was he cycling off to give his body a chance to rest, 3 is there a history of heart problems?

answer to #1 was stated....600mg testE, responsible amount ide presume

[MuscleScience]

The left ventrical of the heart will sometime increase in size in weight lifters. One theory is that due to the increase in load on the heart when someone is lifting heavy. The left ventrical of the heart will increase in size to not only supply the extra muscle that requires more blood flow but also the increase in blood pressure when someone lifts called a valsalva manuever. Enlargment of the heart itself is not a bad thing its when you have remodeling of the heart from injury, illness or disease that causes problems.

[rodosman]

Never got any blood work, but would that detect anything?

He was uneducated to say the least but never did high doses for extended periods.

I am not sure about his heart history.

[Selene]

one should always have blood work pre and post cycle

he could have had another underlying condition which the AAS abuse and heavy lifting could have attributed to. I am s ure once doctor runs more tests they will know more.

I wish your friend a speedy recover

[canadian meat]

Must have had history of heart problems in family but regardless sorry to hear you lost a friend

[worldpower]

Must have had history of heart problems in family but regardless sorry to hear you lost a friend

dude, hes still alive

[GFLEXXX]

An old training partner of mine had 2 minor heart attacks as well. Cycled heavy all the time - doses a little higher than your average. 5'11" 360lbs, and he wouldn't think of doing a min. of cardio for fear of losing any weight. (seriously if he was down 3lbs on the scale he would be depressed all day). Anyways, not certain if heart conditions as per stated above contributed to his difficulties along with his general lack of conditioning and his heart trying to pump for literally 2 people. Just an eye opener to keep healthy while you looking good...

[canadian meat]

dude, hes still alive

UMMMMM I THINK ILL INSERT HEAD IN DIRT NOW LOL

[dece870717]

I'm always surprised they blame steroids, heart disease happens in A LOT of men that don't use steroids, why is there this automatic link to steroids?

[frenchy]

I think if he was not using testosterone.. and pumping lots he might have had a heart attack later in life. In a way its better to find out you have heart trouble when you are young and are able to recover better, than when you are older and have a harder recovery.

[aadrenaline]

I'm always surprised they blame steroids, heart disease happens in A LOT of men that don't use steroids, why is there this automatic link to steroids?

not saying its what caused it but it could've aided in it. steroids are not 100% safe for you im not gonna lie. just cause someone tell you ur doing a fair amount and not taking too much doesnt clear you of ever not having a problem. its the same with anything. some people smoke their whole lifes and never get cancer or and other disease and theres some who've only smoked for a few years and get cancer. same with drinking and everything for that matter. nothing in life is 100% safe. there are some things that can happen. is this directly related to steroids who knows? but you'll also never know if he wasnt taking them would the same thing happen?

ranting sorry

just ona note i do think steroids can be used safely but not to 100% of the population and that goes for everything.

[Kale]

the heart is a muscle

so what, its not the same kind of muscle as skeletal muscles.

[rodosman]

Here is an update for everyone. I just talked to him again and he told me that he had a period of about 3 years where he was on some heavy use. The doctor told him that when hits your heart it instantly kills heart cells. The doc said that the started most of the damage, but the juice put him over the edge. This makes me feel a little better for my own self and cycles, but I am still scared of enlarging my heart.

[K.Biz]

Here is an update for everyone. I just talked to him again and he told me that he had a period of about 3 years where he was on some heavy use. The doctor told him that when hits your heart it instantly kills heart cells. The doc said that the coke started most of the damage, but the juice put him over the edge. This makes me feel a little better for my own self and cycles, but I am still scared of enlarging my heart.

sorry to hear that bro. hopefully he makes a full recovery. Unfortunetly recreational drug use is to common... I have way to many friends who do as well. its sad to see it but there prob gonna end up like your friend in some hospital bed.

anyway tell your bro to feel better and mabye cycles from now on arnt to great of an idea for him

[rodosman]

Right on K. Biz. I agree, rec drug use is too common.

My friend never did a minute of cardio and he also drank alcohol on a daily basis.

[nbkandrew13]

yeah that still sucks makes me wonder how my heart is from 10 years of meth addiction. been sober 4 about 4 years now

[SVTMuscle*]

Ok well this thread just had a dramatic turn for the better for us I was worried for a minute!

[jagdpanther]

I don't do (tried it a few times in high school over 20 years ago). Don't think anyone should do . I think it does cause health problems including possible heart conditions but when i read the line below the bull shit detector went off.

The doctor told him that when hits your heart it instantly kills heart cells.

Obviously 3 years of heavy use is going to have some long term consequences but the "instantly kills heart cells" just sounds like propaganda.
There are enough real reasons not to use we don't need more misinformation from medical sources.

Sorry to hear about ur friend bro, I wish him well and speedy recovery.

[rodosman]

Ok well this thread just had a dramatic turn for the better for us I was worried for a minute!

I am still worried for my own health SVT. I do believe aas increases the size of your heart but to what degree i do not know. Plus there are so many variables.

[heavyhitter08]

I am still worried for my own health SVT. I do believe aas increases the size of your heart but to what degree i do not know. Plus there are so many variables.

I developed a heart problem when i was young that has fizzled away but will always be with me. I have a couple cycles under my belt and have been to my cardiologist more than once with these concerning issues. The last time i went i had a heart sonogram and everything turned out great, we even comapred it to years ago and everything is the same...

The only way to be safe is to get bloodwork and go to your cardiologist. If you have health insurance "use it"!!!!!!!

[Johny-too-small]

yeah that still sucks makes me wonder how my heart is from 10 years of addiction. been sober 4 about 4 years now

Rodosman, sorry to hear about your buddy, keep us updated. Do you know how much damage the attack caused?

Not to hijack, but how the hell did you kick that additction? Ive heard that that shiz is insane!

[SVTMuscle*]

I am still worried for my own health SVT. I do believe aas increases the size of your heart but to what degree i do not know. Plus there are so many variables.

Meh, I wouldn't be as concerned considering i'm sure the had alot more damage on his heart than AAS did. Remember, thousands (millions) of guys are on gear or have used gear, but not everyone is dropping dead

[kcanes53]

Just so you guys know, Blood work will not detect an enlarged heart, The best way is to get an echocardiogram..It depicts the resting function of the heart. The echocardiogram study is recorded onto a video for the dr. to read, this the best and most accurate non-invasive study to obtain a great deal of info about the heart including: Size and strength of contractions, Valve function,areas of old heart attack,fluid around the heart, and the effects of disease processes such as hypertension,coronary artery disease,thyriod disease and many others.....

[nbkandrew13]

Rodosman, sorry to hear about your buddy, keep us updated. Do you know how much damage the attack caused?

Not to hijack, but how the hell did you kick that additction? Ive heard that that shiz is insane!

it took many attempts to kick i never thought i was an addict because i was employed lived in a nice house , nice cars all the toys hot wife who didnt use. after many attempts came home 1 day everything was gone about 10 days later got thrown in jail for impeding the flow of traffic (i had parked my s2000 in the fast ln on 285 in the atl i had been up for about 8 months and decided right then i couldnt drive i didnt even know where i was. i had a half ounce and glock shoved up under the seat. by the grace of god they didnt look. i promised id never use again within 6 mnths my wife took me back daughter forgave me that was 4 years ago i dont miss it i rarely go to an aa meeting but i watch that show intervention religously it reminds me of what would happen if i touched it again

[BigGuy5420]

scary shit man. as with some of the other bros on here i had a drug and drinking problem. i was a heroin addict for about 3 years, but did many many other drugs all throughout my childhood from about the age of 11(21 now). i have been sober for almost 2 years now but it makes me wonder how much damage i did to my body growing up. \

hope he has a speedy recovery

[BigGuy5420]

nbkandrew13 that is some crazy sh*t i also live right outside atlanta(marietta) and go to aa meetings once and a while. i also watch intervention like a mf,that show is off the chain, good reminder of how stuff used to be

[Warrior]

Just so you guys know, Blood work will not detect an enlarged heart, The best way is to get an echocardiogram..It depicts the resting function of the heart. The echocardiogram study is recorded onto a video for the dr. to read, this the best and most accurate non-invasive study to obtain a great deal of info about the heart including: Size and strength of contractions, Valve function,areas of old heart attack,fluid around the heart, and the effects of disease processes such as hypertension,coronary artery disease,thyriod disease and many others.....

Yeah, thats what I was initially going to say too - but blood chemistry could outline any potential cardiovascular risk factors he was having.

That echocardiogram sounds interesting... is it expensive to do? I would consider doing it just to check the integrity of my ticker...

[nbkandrew13]

nbkandrew13 that is some crazy sh*t i also live right outside atlanta(marietta) and go to aa meetings once and a while. i also watch intervention like a mf,that show is off the chain, good reminder of how stuff used to be

yeah peachford was one of my stops in rehab, i dont miss that traffic though.

[Booz]

right no more rec drug talk or this thread will die as of now...............
thankyou...........

[nbkandrew13]

SORRY i got carried away wont happen again

[Booz]

SORRY i got carried away wont happen again

wasnt only you mate.....................

[mkv213]

Sorry to hear that bro, i posted a few weeks ago about this same topic and quite a few dudes in my gym that I know that have had heart attacks by age 32. one had a triple bi pass. I Seriously doubt this is coincidence but ppl will always stick up for juice cuz it hasn't happened to them and they only go on hearsay from what they've read. IMO it's something to be concerned about. I know I am. I don't take breaks as long as I should and I have some heart history in the family. Becareful my bro's, this is something to consider. i know it's not going to stop me or anyone else until it happens, shit, one of the guys who had a heart attack still juices. go figure.

[Mighty Joe]

This is why we have this site! To keep everyone informed and educated about AAS use! To the ill-informed these drugs are risky business. For the educated and Healthy they are a Godsend!!

Always do bloodwork! Its a quick snapshot of what your body is trying to tell you from the inside out.

BE Educated or be gone!

MJ

[Pooks]

hows about you dont take the piss and we dont get you banned...........