DangerDan's precomp cycle

[Dangerdan]

Ok, I posted a thread in the competitive bodybuilding section but didn't get much of a response (http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=293877). I'm 18 weeks out from my first competition and I would really like to put another few lbs of muscle before starting to cut. I would appreciate and advice from anyone with some experience here; especially those who have competed.

Stats: 27 years old, 6'1, 212lbs, 10-12% bodyfat. (avatar is recent pic). I have been lifting for about 10 years and lifting serious for the past year and a half or so.

Cycle Experience: Two previous cycles; last cycle was sust at 700mg weekly and deca at 400mgs (http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=270883).

Goals: Add as much muscle as possible over the next six weeks and maintain muscle during cutting phase leading up to cycle. Also, the main goal is to look the best possible for my first competition.

I am thinking of running a 16week cycle leading up to the comp. I have had decent results with deca and feel like test should be my base due to my limited cycle experience. I'm not sure if I'm ready for something like tren and if I do run tren I was thinking of running the longer esthered Tren-E. I also would rather not run anything that has to be injected ED or even EOD. I've never run any orals but will incorporate an oral or two into this cycle.

Here are a couple of possible cycle, I have put together.

Option 1
Test-E 700mg weekly - weeks 1-16
Deca 400mg weekly - weeks 1-12
Dbol at 50mg ED - weeks 1-6
Winny (oral) - weeks 11-16

Option 2
Test-E 700mg weekly - weeks 1-16
EQ 400mg weekly - weeks 1-16
Dbol at 50mg ED - weeks 1-6
Winny (oral) - weeks 11-16

I will also be running Adex throughout and have PCT ready. I have some letro on hand as well just in case but I have never had a problem requiring letro in the past.

Thanks for reading and I would greatly appreciate your input.

[pavlenko]

ur avatar doesnt give ur chest any justice, option 1 sounds better

[Dangerdan]

ur avatar doesnt give ur chest any justice, option 1 sounds better

Why specificially option 1? Are you just more a fan of deca verses eq? I've never run eq and I would like to try it, on the other hand, I need to add some mass and deca is probably better there.

[Dangerdan]

[perfectbeast2001]

option 1 but run the winny from 14 right up till day of comp. maybe throws in some masteron too for weeks 14-18. Remember the last couple of weeks before comp is probably the most catabolic time ever. Winny and a little masteron will help to prevent this and keep you looking nice and hard too.

[Hellmaskbanned]

Option 2
Test-E 700mg weekly - weeks 1-16
EQ 600mg weekly - weeks 1-16
Dbol at 50mg ED - weeks 1-6 (I would start out at 30 and see how you respond, and ramp up later 50mgs tops if needed)
Winny (oral) - weeks 11-16 ( I would start out at 60 and ramp up to 100mgs tops if needed)


Orals are good in early runs/cycles. But over time they are not the way to go. Injectables are safer after many oral runs.

[Dangerdan]

Thanks for the input Hellmask. I was talking to a couple of guys here at home who also suggested giving EQ a try. I've run Deca the past two cycle so I probably should try something new.

Thanks for your thoughts too Beast. What type of dosage would you run Materon at? I dont know anyone locally who has used it but I'm definatly open to trying new things.

I am also considering running Tren-E and EQ together, maybe even with test. Any thoughts?

[Dangerdan]

Ok, I've been looking into Masteron and it looks like it would be great to run leading up to a competition. Maybe, like Beast suggested, run it like this:

DBol 30-50mg daily (weeks 1-6)
Test E - 700mg weekly (weeks 1-16)
EQ - 600mg weekly (weeks 1-16)
Masteron (I'll have to check dosage) (weeks 12-16)
Winny 60mg daily (weeks 12-16)

The contest being at the end of week 16. Would you guys keep the winny or would masteron be enough by itself? I would still like to hear thoughts on Tren-E with EQ and/or Test.

[stacked566]

I would take mast over oral winny any day. Oral winny didnt really do anything for me as far as cuts and drying me out, I used it more of as a helper in my cycle to free up some more test. Read the article by Anthony Roberts about oral vs IM winny.

[perfectbeast2001]

100mg ED worked well for me.

[JohnboyF]

Dangerdan,

why the long esterS?

[vadim_b1]

Deca and EQ have no place in cutting cycles imo. This is why - deca will bloat most people, and that bloat isnt really controllable with an AI. EQ increases appetite which will make your dieting hell. And neither of the two substances work particularly well on a calorie reduced diet.
Theres only 2 base choices of AAS for me on a cutter - 1. Test, 2. Tren. - both are highly anticatabolic, tren partitions nutrients, so you might even gain a little lean mass while dropping fat, and its fat burning properties are a big plus.
Add whatever is missing to this scheme, either winstrol, or masteron or whatever else suits you.

[Dangerdan]

To answer a couple of questions: I am trying to avoid injecting ED or EOD, so the obvious test choice, prop, is out. I have access to sust and could run it over test-E, but I would like to give Test-E a try since I have used sust in the past and haven't tried test-E.

I am open to giving Tren-E a try btt I am pretty dead set against Tren-A.

Did you run winny alongside the mast Beast or did you just run mast?

[Dangerdan]

Anyone tried a Tren-E, test combination? I just read Tia's EQ thread and seems like most folks on here are not big fans. Of couse Tia does think he is a ninja so I'm not sure how reliable his thread is. I've got a good amount of sust laying around and I can get my hands on Tren-E without too much problem.

[JohnboyF]

let me sum up tren for ya


God made man

man made tren

tren makes gods

i love that stuff

[JohnboyF]

tren abs

[Dangerdan]

Ok, I'll look into the Tren-E a bit further and try to come up something after I do some additional research. Did you run Tren-E or acetate Fez?

[JohnboyF]

Both... summer Tren A

recntly tren E both were awesome vascularity insane strenghth awesome...!!!

[DHew]

Just curious, why are you so against Tren A? Most first time tren users try the Tren Ace ester because if the sides are too bad, you can cut it out of your system MUCH quicker than the enth ester.

[Dangerdan]

Just curious, why are you so against Tren A? Most first time tren users try the Tren Ace ester because if the sides are too bad, you can cut it out of your system MUCH quicker than the enth ester.

It was my understanding that Tren-E could be injected weekly or bi-weekly, thus avoiding ED injections. I dont want to run something that will require ED injections for such a long period. I'm still researching Tren though so I could well be mistaken.

[Dangerdan]

After some advice from Fez and others, I think I'm going to make the base of my cycle Test (either ethenate or sust) and Tren-E. I will run winny the last 4-6 weeks and maybe masteron as well. I'm still debating adding dbols for a kickstart and EQ throughout the cycle.

[perfectbeast2001]

ran winny with the masteron both for 4 weeks

[Dangerdan]

Thanks for all the good input guys. I think I am going to incorporate some tren into the cycle and get rid of the EQ or Deca. How does this sound:

Dbol at 30-50mg daily weeks 1-6
Test-E or Sust at 600mg weekly weeks 1-16 (300mg Monday & Thursday)
Tren-E at 400mg weekly weeks 1-16 (200mg Monday & Thursday)
Winny at 60-100mg daily weeks 13-16
*Possibly Masteron at 100mg daily, weeks 13-16

Has anyone run the longer estered Mast-E with success or could I add something like primabolen (sp) the last four weeks instead of mast. I really dont want to have to take ED injections.

[taiboxa]

i would drop test more than 2 weeks out from show if ur using long ester.

[Dangerdan]

i would drop test more than 2 weeks out from show if ur using long ester.

Whats the reasoning for this Tia? Possible bloat? Also, what do you think of the above cycle otherwise?

[taiboxa]

Whats the reasoning for this Tia? Possible bloat? Also, what do you think of the above cycle otherwise?

yep.. i know some people have to drop it 5weeks out.
also are you going to run drol 1-3days out?

[perfectbeast2001]

I would also drop the test 2 weeks out as even the shorter estered test has a little bloat which will be niticable when you are trying to drop SUB Q water and look totally ripped. I would also drop the tren 2 weeks out and just stay on the mast/winny right up till comp.

[Dangerdan]

Thanks for the input Beast and Tai, I'll drop both the test and tren two weeks out. I wasn't planning on running anadrol at all, but I have access to it. I haven't heard of running it for a few days before a comp. Is that common?

[taiboxa]

Thanks for the input Beast and Tai, I'll drop both the test and tren two weeks out. I wasn't planning on running anadrol at all, but I have access to it. I haven't heard of running it for a few days before a comp. Is that common?

yep, i know quite a few who do it to increase fullness

[Dangerdan]

yep, i know quite a few who do it to increase fullness

Well I know you are always on the cautious side when it comes to cycles Tia, so I'll plan on throwing it in for a few days, would 100mg daily for three days be enough?

[Dangerdan]

I'm putting together quite a shopping list.

[taiboxa]

Well I know you are always on the cautious side when it comes to cycles Tia, so I'll plan on throwing it in for a few days, would 100mg daily for three days be enough?

lol seriously?

[Dangerdan]

lol seriously?

Joking. , but serious about giving the Anadrol a try

[Dangerdan]

To summarize, here's what the cycle looks like as of now:

Dbol 30-50mg daily, weeks 1-4
Sust 600mg weekly, weeks 1-14
Tren-E 400mg weekly, weeks 1-14
Winny (oral) 60-100mg daily, weeks 13-16
*Masteron 100mg daily, weeks 13-16
Anadrol, 100mg daily, 3-5 days leading up to comp.

*I'm still unsure of the masteron, but will make that decision later. Off to the gym, I'll check back in later. You sure I shouldn't add anything else Tai, that doesn't seem like nearly enough compounds. . .

[GonnaBeHuge]

Personally, I would do the Test E over sust, especially if you are trying to inject less often. I've noticed that I don't get nearly the same results with sust at only twice a week injections. It usually takes me E3D or EOD to really get the same results as twice a week with Test E.

Just my .02

[taiboxa]

To summarize, here's what the cycle looks like as of now:

Dbol 30-50mg daily, weeks 1-4
Sust 600mg weekly, weeks 1-14
Tren-E 400mg weekly, weeks 1-14
Winny (oral) 60-100mg daily, weeks 13-16
*Masteron 100mg daily, weeks 13-16
Anadrol, 100mg daily, 3-5 days leading up to comp.

*I'm still unsure of the masteron, but will make that decision later. Off to the gym, I'll check back in later. You sure I shouldn't add anything else Tai, that doesn't seem like nearly enough compounds. . .

u need nor/dht + test so u got it
anadrol is a nice immediate filler so... yeah honestly its pretty mild precomp cycle u got there.. wheres nark? lol

[Dangerdan]

Tai, Have you ever run Masteron Ethenate? I would like to run it instead of Acetate if I can get any (you know how much DangerDan likes his long estered compounds).

[taiboxa]

Tai, Have you ever run Masteron Ethenate? I would like to run it instead of Acetate if I can get any (you know how much DangerDan likes his long estered compounds).

only diff between short and long esters is like 24%? ester size/rawhormone so thats bout it.. nothing wrong w/ long esters

[Dangerdan]

If I run Mast-E instead of Mast-Prop, how long will I need to run it to see results; how many weeks out from my contest would I have to start?

[taiboxa]

If I run Mast-E instead of Mast-Prop, how long will I need to run it to see results; how many weeks out from my contest would I have to start?

i would start week 10 and frontload