Liposuction and bodybuilding standards

[Ricocer]

I am one of those guys who is genetically disadvantaged and stores all the fat in the lower abdomen and love handles. When I cut, with proper diet, clen eca and cardio I get very lean everywhere else quickly, but when I already have veins on my arms, shoulders, a pretty defined chest and back, and the upper portion of the abs (4 pack?!) coming out I still have a "spare tire" around my waist. Eventually it gets reduced but it still ruins the whole picture.
It is so frustrating to see your body making great progress overall and having a great potential, but still having that horrible spots that at requires an extra 2 months of dieting and cardio just to get reduced and not even completely disappear. People who have that problem will understand what I mean.
I am now looking into lipo hoping to finally solve that problem and would like to hear people's opinion and possibly personal experiences.
I posted this here because I wanted to have feedback from the kind of people who post here. I know how to use physical enhancing drugs and their effects, and I would like to hear the opinion of people that have the same high standards in terms of results as I have.
Thanks

[NewVader]

I don,t have experience but from what I know it should be great in your case as I understand the fat cells can only expand but not multiply, so once you have removed them you have fixed the problem for good. I don't know about bb standards, I assume the average joe doesn't care much if his abs are lumpy after loosing a 40 lb beer gut. But even if you do get lumps I guess they would be removable and they would disappear dieting as well...I am just guessing though.

[Skills]

I had lipo on my gut over 10 years ago and since my weight has gone up and down. It was basically a quick fix solution at the time. When I started an solid cardio and lifting regime about a year ago my bf has gone from over 25 to around 11% now. The first thing on my body to rip up was my lower abs, where I had the lipo all those years ago. This lipo'd part of my body looks slightly better than all the rest. So much so I have toyed with the idea of having some more lipo at a low bf. I have an endo/mesmo build and could have removed it with execise though. Hope this is of some help.

[Ricocer]

I had lipo on my gut over 10 years ago and since my weight has gone up and down. It was basically a quick fix solution at the time. When I started an solid cardio and lifting regime about a year ago my bf has gone from over 25 to around 11% now. The first thing on my body to rip up was my lower abs, where I had the lipo all those years ago. This lipo'd part of my body looks slightly better than all the rest. So much so I have toyed with the idea of having some more lipo at a low bf. I have an endo/mesmo build and could have removed it with execise though. Hope this is of some help.

Yes that does help. It means that if I do it I will get rid of that sparetire forever and in that case I will be able to rip everywhere. See, my lower abs are the last thing to show (if I even get there)
thanks for sharing,

anyone else?

[Coop77]

a friend of mine had it and you can easily see the scars. Personally I'd rather lose it the hard way and not have scars on my abdomen forever.

[Ricocer]

how big are those scars?

the surgeon said it could make one inside the bellybutton an 2 more on the sides, small
anyone?

[Ricocer]

I had lipo on my gut over 10 years ago and since my weight has gone up and down. It was basically a quick fix solution at the time. When I started an solid cardio and lifting regime about a year ago my bf has gone from over 25 to around 11% now. The first thing on my body to rip up was my lower abs, where I had the lipo all those years ago. This lipo'd part of my body looks slightly better than all the rest. So much so I have toyed with the idea of having some more lipo at a low bf. I have an endo/mesmo build and could have removed it with execise though. Hope this is of some help.

do you have scars?

[Froggy]

If it bothers you...and...you have the means to get it removed via lipo...then...IMO, go for it...
Just check out the Dr completely, to the point where you no longer have any concerns about the procedure...good luck

[TheSentinal]

I have the same type of problem as yourself. I am tall, muscular, but have the "love handle" issue. Just a syou described, everything really comes together well, but I still have the issue around my sides. I have never fully committed to really lowering my body fat to see how far I could reduce them. I thought of Lipo, but have seen some documentaries on it and even that doesn't solve the issue. I would be interested in how much it would cost and what the down time would be. What I am doing now is really concentrating on my diet to see how low I can get it. I have found that some people, who think their BF is low, really have it sitting around 20%. There is a big diff between 20% and 8%. I know, it is a pain! Genetics don't always work for you.

[Ricocer]

I have the same type of problem as yourself. I am tall, muscular, but have the "love handle" issue. Just a syou described, everything really comes together well, but I still have the issue around my sides. I have never fully committed to really lowering my body fat to see how far I could reduce them. I thought of Lipo, but have seen some documentaries on it and even that doesn't solve the issue. I would be interested in how much it would cost and what the down time would be. What I am doing now is really concentrating on my diet to see how low I can get it. I have found that some people, who think their BF is low, really have it sitting around 20%. There is a big diff between 20% and 8%. I know, it is a pain! Genetics don't always work for you.

It would cost no less than 4000$ for lower abs and lov handles.
See I can reduce the my bf drammatically once I got down to 6% and of course I didn't have the spare tire anymore, but still those areas were less ripped than everywhere else. That was also years ago, that my weight has been going up and down and I think that area has suffered a bit from all the times I gained weight, it seems it has slowly accumulated a bit more fat over time. Anyways the bottom line is that even when I am at 10% bf I still have a noticeble pocket on my lower abs and my flanks. I think I'm gonna go for it, but I am just scared of possible lumpy areas...

anyone?

[Tesla]

how big are those scars?

the surgeon said it could make one inside the bellybutton an 2 more on the sides, small
anyone?

I had abs/love handles done about 7 years ago. The only scar that's visible is the one where they put in a drain tube. Some docs use drain tubes and some don't. My brother had the same procedure done with a different doc who didn't use a drain tube. You can't see any of his scars. They healed up nicely.

[NewVader]

I had abs/love handles done about 7 years ago. The only scar that's visible is the one where they put in a drain tube. Some docs use drain tubes and some don't. My brother had the same procedure done with a different doc who didn't use a drain tube. You can't see any of his scars. They healed up nicely.

did you regain the fat in the treated areas? Are the fat cells truly gone forever where you had surgery?

[Tesla]

did you regain the fat in the treated areas? Are the fat cells truly gone forever where you had surgery?

The fat cells are gone forever after the surgery. Your body doesn't produce any new fat cells after you've completed puberty.

[Lunacy]

The fat cells are gone forever after the surgery. Your body doesn't produce any new fat cells after you've completed puberty.

^^^^Right on

[NewVader]

The fat cells are gone forever after the surgery. Your body doesn't produce any new fat cells after you've completed puberty.

yes I know that, but I'd like to hear your actual experience. did you actually see that you were staying lean on that spot and gain fat in other areas?
Did you gain more fat in other areas with respect to before lipo?

[Ricocer]

I had abs/love handles done about 7 years ago. The only scar that's visible is the one where they put in a drain tube. Some docs use drain tubes and some don't. My brother had the same procedure done with a different doc who didn't use a drain tube. You can't see any of his scars. They healed up nicely.

did you have to get as lean as possible before the surgery?

On one hand I've heard people saying to get as lean as possible so that the docs can remove the highest amount of fat in (they can't remove more fat than the amount which makes the whole body appear uniform)
On the other hand, I feel that if I reduce my fat too much there won't be enough for them to "grabb"....



also how long after surgery can you really hit the weights hard again?

[Ricocer]

for the people who had lipo, how long before you can seriously hit the weights?
(heavy squats, deadlifts etc)

[Tesla]

yes I know that, but I'd like to hear your actual experience. did you actually see that you were staying lean on that spot and gain fat in other areas?
Did you gain more fat in other areas with respect to before lipo?

I didn't notice anything weird like I started gaining weight in other areas or anything like that.

My doc didn't take out all of my fat in that area. He left some (which really pisses me off). Anyway, I can still gain weight in that area in the fat cells that were left.

[Tesla]

did you have to get as lean as possible before the surgery?

On one hand I've heard people saying to get as lean as possible so that the docs can remove the highest amount of fat in (they can't remove more fat than the amount which makes the whole body appear uniform)
On the other hand, I feel that if I reduce my fat too much there won't be enough for them to "grabb"....



also how long after surgery can you really hit the weights hard again?

I wouldn't recommend getting as lean as possible before getting the surgery done. You're right, if you reduce fat too much there won't be enough for the doc to "grab."

Your best bet is to go into the surgery at the BF you maintain on a normal diet.

[Tesla]

did you have to get as lean as possible before the surgery?

also how long after surgery can you really hit the weights hard again?

It's different for people. I've heard some people say two weeks but it was more like a month for me. My lipo was the old fashion kind. There's a new kind out now where they do a much better job of "melting" the fat. It's called lipo select. It's supposed to be a very low pain type of thing.

Check it out:

http://www.vaser.com/

[spicyer]

After lipo you should be able to work out in 2-3 weeks and heavy 4-6 weeks. No point in leaning out too much, but they can only remove so many cc's of fat so don't go in to heavy either. Scars should be very minimal. I had gyno and tummy tuck done 6 months ago and all the gyno scars are gone and tummy tuck scars doing well with Mederma 3 times per day. Also the areas I had lipo done I massaged nightly and there are no lumps. Good luck!

[lpicken]

Do you think you would have your love handles if you lived in some messed up place like Ethiopia? This is an extreme example, but I believe that lifestyle choices have more to do with fat content than genetics.

[Ricocer]

Do you think you would have your love handles if you lived in some messed up place like Ethiopia? This is an extreme example, but I believe that lifestyle choices have more to do with fat content than genetics.

this really shows how the people who are not genetically prone to love handles cannot nearly understand what it means. I can have a spare tire even if I am at 10%. Below the sparetire is no longer there but as you approach 6-7% you don't look 7% in that area, as you look in all the other areas...and for me to get down to that percentage requires going below 1800kcal/day even if I am 190lb....
GENETICS ARE EVERYTHING

[Ricocer]

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[Tesla]

this really shows how the people who are not genetically prone to love handles cannot nearly understand what it means. I can have a spare tire even if I am at 10%. Below the sparetire is no longer there but as you approach 6-7% you don't look 7% in that area, as you look in all the other areas...and for me to get down to that percentage requires going below 1800kcal/day even if I am 190lb....
GENETICS ARE EVERYTHING

I agree completely. Before liposuction I could lean down so low I had veins popping out everywhere, striations, and all kind of wild things going on. HOWEVER, I STILL couldn't see my abs and I STILL had love handles.

[XxAndreaxX]

This is a very old thread, but its very good and educative.
I’m about to do my liposuction, here in spain its very cheap, 2000€ + VAT.
Mi biggest problem are handles, but he will do the whole abs.
That’s true, someone who never had the handles, will never understand the problem.
Its not about to do exercise or diet to get rid of. Its about to go below 8% to start seeing some definition in that area.
Maybe most of that wise guys that say do exercise and eat clean, never went below 10% because they don’t even need to!
And its frustrating being forced to go below 8% to start seeing some sort of V-shape!
Plus everything its connected to that, low cal diets, clen, T3, big doses of anabolics to get some bulk out of such low cal diet etc....
I’ll let you guys know, bye!

[Khazima]

This is a very old thread, but its very good and educative.
I’m about to do my liposuction, here in spain its very cheap, 2000€ + VAT.
Mi biggest problem are handles, but he will do the whole abs.
That’s true, someone who never had the handles, will never understand the problem.
Its not about to do exercise or diet to get rid of. Its about to go below 8% to start seeing some definition in that area.
Maybe most of that wise guys that say do exercise and eat clean, never went below 10% because they don’t even need to!
And its frustrating being forced to go below 8% to start seeing some sort of V-shape!
Plus everything its connected to that, low cal diets, clen, T3, big doses of anabolics to get some bulk out of such low cal diet etc....
I’ll let you guys know, bye!

I can tell some flaming is coming your way but i actually agree lol, i'm the same whereas if i wanted to get rid of my love handles properly, i'd have to get to an unhealthily low bodyfat, which just isn't worth it to me. However neither is liposuction, and it's not a big deal to me (atm) with my current goals.

[XxAndreaxX]

If you know how to eat, and never been fat or over 15%, i think its a good choice to do a lipo if lipid deposit isn’t proportioned.

[XxAndreaxX]

I'll get abdominal liposucction in 2 weeks!!! I'm curious if that Works! anyone with experience, to give me some advice??? what to say to the surgeon??

[XxAndreaxX]

Tomorrow its time for liposuction!! Wish me luck!!!
I'll give my thoughts about it soon!!

[Wintermaul]

Tomorrow its time for liposuction!! Wish me luck!!!
I'll give my thoughts about it soon!!

Good luck. Mind share some before and after photos?

[XxAndreaxX]

Good luck. Mind share some before and after photos?

yeah!!!

[< <Samson> >]

Good luck!

I am so pvssy to go under the knife. Next one, most likely being my bitch tits.

I remember when my ex wife went under, wow! She came out so out of it - scary looking to me.

[XxAndreaxX]

yeah, its not the first surgery I do... but yes it sucks. And the worse part, doctor says, he has to leave a fat-layer below the skin, so the liposuction won't be complete. It depends from the doctor, how much he's willing to risk. for example, I payed for the whole abdominal área, but he'll likely do only the lower belly, because my fat amount in upperbelly is not enough. that sucks. but I'm really anxious to see the results.
the idea is to bring the whole abs área proportional, so lets say 1cm thick, like my upper part. my lower belly its now like 2-3cm and my handles, are something like 10cm thick. you see, my proportions are totally out of control.
now I expect to have 1cm at my handles after lipo, that would be like crazy awesome!!!!

[< <Samson> >]

Very good info bro

It's kind of the shit I have been thinking about. I have maybe 3/4cm layer of fat all around my abdominal section & my chest. I had this since I was 18 & weighed only 145 pounds.

There's nothing I can do about it - no amount of starvation, fat loss or surgery will make me look different

[Bio-Active]

Very good info bro

It's kind of the shit I have been thinking about. I have maybe 3/4cm layer of fat all around my abdominal section & my chest. I had this since I was 18 & weighed only 145 pounds.

There's nothing I can do about it - no amount of starvation, fat loss or surgery will make me look different

Put on more muscle

[< <Samson> >]

Put on more muscle

Ha

That's what I came up with - it stretches the chicken skin from the underside & makes it appear thinner


Along with getting on a low dose of GH when I get my claws on some

[Bio-Active]

Ha That's what I came up with - it stretches the chicken skin from the underside & makes it appear thinner Along with getting on a low dose of GH when I get my claws on some

exactly and the more muscle you put on the more fat you burn

[SOL!D5NAK3]

i think i have the same problem here , i was 6.5 % but i could grab my lower ab fat with my hands. i think i need to do this too

[Red Bastard]

Well, I hope that you're recovering well, by now...